CNN: Donald Trump polling ahead of Clinton

 
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Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.

There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000. That year Al Gore and George W. Bush both boosted their numbers by an identical 8 points post-convention before ultimately battling all the way to the Supreme Court.

National polls don't have a large enough sample to accurately reflect the state of play in key battlegrounds, and there is little information thus far on how Trump's convention performance has affected the presidential race state-by-state.

The new findings mark Trump's best showing in a CNN/ORC Poll against Clinton since September 2015. Trump's new edge rests largely on increased support among independents, 43% of whom said that Trump's convention in Cleveland left them more likely to back him, while 41% were dissuaded. Pre-convention, independents split 34% Clinton to 31% Trump, with sizable numbers behind Johnson (22%) and Stein (10%). Now, 46% say they back Trump, 28% Clinton, 15% Johnson and 4% Stein.


 
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Only thing worth noting here is Gary Johnson so far getting more than his 5%.

But really, these polls don't matter right now. By the time the election rolls around, it's usually much different and sadly people don't go to vote for the 3rd party.


 
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National polls don't have a large enough sample to accurately reflect the state of play in key battlegrounds, and there is little information thus far on how Trump's convention performance has affected the presidential race state-by-state.



 
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National polls don't have a large enough sample to accurately reflect the state of play in key battlegrounds, and there is little information thus far on how Trump's convention performance has affected the presidential race state-by-state.
I understand your point, but do you ever worry you're dismissing the evidence because of your own political bias and might end up with egg on your face?

I'm certainly not saying Trump will win, but a lot of Remainers here in the UK had a nasty surprise when the results came out, simply because they couldn't imagine a Leave vote.


 
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I didn't really think much of it even when Trump was falling in the polls and Hillary winning. The national debates will make or break both of these guys. That's when you should start worrying or paying attention more so. Keep in mind there were polls that said Jeb would easily win his party.


 
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National polls don't have a large enough sample to accurately reflect the state of play in key battlegrounds, and there is little information thus far on how Trump's convention performance has affected the presidential race state-by-state.
I understand your point, but do you ever worry you're dismissing the evidence because of your own political bias and might end up with egg on your face?

Oh, that's a likely chance. Polling, especially political polling, is a shitty and often less than reliable field because trends and similarities are uncommon between cycles. And sure, I'd be lying if I said I didn't hope that these polls are all wrong.

One of the few constants that remain is that the further away from the election, the less reliable national polling data is. The closer we get to November 7th, the more precise most polls will get. I can get more into that as well.

Fact is, we've only had one half of the party convention, zero general election debates, and both parties just completed their tickets. By late August/early September (as with most years), the data clears up quite a bit.
Last Edit: July 25, 2016, 10:19:49 AM by Icy


 
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zero general election debates
Do you think Hillary will be able to beat back Teflon Don in the debates?


 
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Do you think Hillary will be able to beat back Teflon Don in the debates?

Beat back isn't what will happen.

Up until the first debate, voters won't have had the opportunity to see both candidates in the same room. We've heard the candidates go back and forth where Trump has his speech, and then three days later Clinton has hers.  And the next week, it's a repeat. It's all very scripted, paint by the numbers.

While debate speeches are still quite scripted, it is much easier to see the faults and points of error - and they are much more glaring because the candidates are kind of put on the spot where they have to rebut their opponent immediately. Debates won't make or break a candidacy in terms of party line voters. But debates can be incredibly important to independent voters, who most of the time are very much on the fence until the last few weeks before election day.


 
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well fine

i'll just sit over here and be ignored :<

this is the thanks i get for moving threads!


 
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But debates can be incredibly important to independent voters, who most of the time are very much on the fence until the last few weeks before election day.
And they'll be the deciding factor this election.


 
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But debates can be incredibly important to independent voters, who most of the time are very much on the fence until the last few weeks before election day.
And they'll be the deciding factor this election.

They're the deciding factor in most, if not all, elections.


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I'd like to know why I should vote for a candidate instead of against their opponent. So far Bernie was the only one saying why you should vote for him. All of the others have only said why you shouldn't vote for whoever they were competing against at that moment.


 
 
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Don't you know? Polls only matter to liberals when their candidate is winning.


 
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Don't you know? Polls only matter to liberals when their candidate is winning.
Idiots*

But hey, same thing right? L O L!


 
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I'd like to know why I should vote for a candidate instead of against their opponent. So far Bernie was the only one saying why you should vote for him. All of the others have only said why you shouldn't vote for whoever they were competing against at that moment.
I'm voting for Gary Johnson because I feel the country could do with more than just the two party system when you get two shit candidates like this.


 
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I'd like to know why I should vote for a candidate instead of against their opponent. So far Bernie was the only one saying why you should vote for him. All of the others have only said why you shouldn't vote for whoever they were competing against at that moment.
I'm voting for Gary Johnson because I feel the country could do with more than just the two party system when you get two shit candidates like this.

If you don't vote Hillary you're basically voting Trump fyi

Just as long as youre okay with that. It might be worth it if you can get rid of that dreadful 2 party system.


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Hillary will "win" every debate because the media will say so and most people don't watch the debates


 
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Hillary will "win" every debate because the media will say so and most people don't watch the debates

Pretty much


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Hillary will "win" every debate because the media will say so and most people don't watch the debates

Yep. Exactly like she "won" the debates with Bernie. When she literally lost every single one.


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If you don't vote Hillary you're basically voting Trump fyi
That doesn't make any sense.


 
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If you don't vote Hillary you're basically voting Trump fyi
That doesn't make any sense.

Yes it does


 
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If you don't vote Hillary you're basically voting Trump fyi
That doesn't make any sense.
Yes it does
No, it doesn't.

If Trump has 99 votes, and you vote for a third party, Trump still has 99 votes.


 
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If you don't vote Hillary you're basically voting Trump fyi
That doesn't make any sense.
Yes it does
No, it doesn't.

If Trump has 99 votes, and you vote for a third party, Trump still has 99 votes.

Than you don't understand what I'm saying.

If you don't vote for Hillary, Trump will win. And you have to be okay with that.
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Than you don't understand what I'm saying.
Because none of what you're saying is making any sense.


 
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Because none of what you're saying is making any sense.

How is it not making sense?

If Hillary doesn't win, Trump wins. Your candidate is not going to win a general election, you understand that... right? You're not wasting your vote going third party because you hope to better elections for the future... but you have to be okay with having Trump as a president for now.


 
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Because none of what you're saying is making any sense.

How is it not making sense?

If Hillary doesn't win, Trump wins. Your candidate is not going to win a general election, you understand that... right?
None of this means that I'm giving a vote to Trump, or that Trump is assured to win.

Least of all, it doesn't mean that I HAVE to be okay with Trump winning.
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Than you don't understand what I'm saying.
Because none of what you're saying is making any sense.
If you vote for a third party, then that vote that could have gone to say, Hillary, won't

Therefore Trump may still have 99 votes, but Hillary will only have 98

Voting third party takes votes away from the two parties that actually are capable of winning, which is one of the huge issues with two party systems


 
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Than you don't understand what I'm saying.
Because none of what you're saying is making any sense.
If you vote for a third party, then that vote that could have gone to say, Hillary, won't

Therefore Trump may still have 99 votes, but Hillary will only have 98

Voting third party takes votes away from the two parties that actually are capable of winning, which is one of the huge issues with two party systems
I understand this. It would be more logical, then, to say that you're taking away votes from Hillary, and not giving votes to Trump.