Clinton Expected to Launch Campaign in April

 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Like I said, the Chinese made ball caps suck dick. The consumer is getting fucked.
None of what you're saying makes any sense in light of pretty much all the economic trends.
So you're saying poorly made hats in China which are visibly worse looking and more uncomfortable than the American made ones isn't fucking the consumer over?

Come on now.
At which point the consumer buys better quality hats. All of the hats are obviously not made in China, and if the consumer values the quality of the hat enough then he will pay for products by different companies or from different countries.



 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Like I said, the Chinese made ball caps suck dick. The consumer is getting fucked.
None of what you're saying makes any sense in light of pretty much all the economic trends.
So you're saying poorly made hats in China which are visibly worse looking and more uncomfortable than the American made ones isn't fucking the consumer over?

Come on now.
At which point the consumer buys better quality hats. All of the hats are obviously not made in China, and if the consumer values the quality of the hat enough then he will pay for products by different companies or from different countries.
It's actually the majority of hats made in China. Roughly 80%.

That's the thing, they're the official makers of the on field baseball caps. And the American made ones are literally the same thing the players on field wear, they're extremely light weight, breathable, colors are correct and don't fade, the brim bends and stays bent properly, it looks like a normal hat and not square and douchebag looking.

So it's really fucked up that they're doing this to cut costs and fucking over Americans (employees and consumers) and they're still $35 dollar hate when the quality is far lower in the Chinese made ones.

Outsourcing is terrible.
You seem to be misunderstanding the fact that producers wouldn't outsource if there was a demand for domestic, high-quality hats.

Capitalists don't conspire to make people as poor as they can; they respond to the demand of the consumers as cheaply as they can, wherever it leads.


 
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I don't want to be rude because I like you, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The republicans want to do nothing but run America into the ground and have done so almost every time they've been elected.
I like you too, but you're incredibly partisan, at least when it's against Republicans. Republicans, quite clearly, don't want to run the U.S. into the ground, and whether you think their policies will do that is an interesting discussion.

But let's be honest here, the Democrats who've 'endowed' the country with good economic growth have done so largely by adopting centrist/conservative policies; Kennedy's tax-cuts (ruined by the Great Society and LBJ), Clinton's appointment of Robert Rubin as head of the CEA and the maintenance of PAYGO rules. And when Republicans have fucked the economy, it's been because of profligacy a la Bush, which I have a hard time categorising as conservative.

I didn't even come out for the Republicans in my post, anyway, I just said Rubio was better than Hillary.
Of course I'm partisan when there are only two parties and one of them wants to destroy America for everybody who isn't rich. Sorry, but you're wrong. There has almost never been a time conservatism has caused progress for humanity or created a stable economy. They actively deny climate change, it's the party of racists, they're incredibly classist, they hate immigrants. There's nothing good about them.
You're seriously delusional if you think the goal of a party is to ruin a country. There's no logic behind that reasoning.
The logic is they do what benefits them and nobody else, effectively ruining the economy.

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You have an unhealthy and ignorant bias
Hey Camnator.

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that proves Meta's thread correct when liberals are more close-mined than conservatives.
That was the most bullshit study I've ever seen and I wouldn't have believed it if it was saying the opposite either.

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The Democrats want to make people that work hard feel like the bad guys by taxing them to hell.
So people working minimum wage don't work hard? But of course, give the poor millionaires a break.

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If you SERIOUSLY think Republicans have never benefited the economy, are racisists, xenophobes, etc
I don't think, I know. They're against immigration reform, they're against same sex marriage, republican politicians have said racist things countless times and have tried bringing back Jim Crow laws.

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then you're the definition of ignorance and it's disgusting you're acting in a fascist manner
>mfw you randomly string together words trying to insult me
Great, and so do Democrats. You keep ignoring that both parties only care about lining their pockets
To a far lesser extent than the Republicans.

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dat fucking damage control. It's pretty evident with your delusional Republican hate that you would jump all over it if it said conservatives were more close-minded
No, because I don't need a study to show me something so obvious. It's fact Republicans are anti gay, anti women, anti immigrants, and anti black.

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People that don't actively search for jobs and just collect benefits don't do jack shit and Democrats reward that behavior.
So because some people take advantage of welfare we should get rid of it completely when people who need it don't abuse it?

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News Flash: The purpose of taxation is NOT to hurt and humiliate a specific class like the Democrats want to do to the upper-class, the point of taxation is to raise revenue in a FAIR manner.
It's not fair to tax the wealthy more than the poor and middle class?

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In fact, a large portion of millionaire only stay such for a short period then others take the position; it's a cycle and heavily taxing the upper-class makes people afraid of working to make money and instead stay middle-class
Yes. That must be it. People are afraid of being rich.

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No, you don't know. If you think Republicans are all what you claim then you're an uneducated ignorant child that has no business discussing politics when you type like a Mother Jones article
Funny how the majority of discrimination and pro life bullshit is in the hick- I mean Republican states. Don't forget you guys use all the welfare too :^)
I can't understand how you can be this thick-minded

No, not a far lesser extent to Republicans. Both are equal. Stop trying to suck up to the Democrats already

It is not fact that Republicans are what you claim. If it was fact then EVERY Republican would hate blacks, gays, immigrants, etc. Guess fucking what? Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are Hispanics that come from immigrant families and are Republicans. Ben Carson and Tim Scott are black and are Republicans. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman are women and Republicans. Carl DeMaio and Richard Tisei are gays and Republicans. You're completely insane to think for one second the Republicans are what you think they are

Keep twisting my words. Where did I fucking say to get rid of welfare? Point it out

No, it's not fair. It's the same as punishing a kid for making honor roll

Yes, they are, especially when they are demonized by the left for working to the American dream

Pro-life isn't bullshit. If you think people can kill an innocent life then you're disgusting. And the north is far more discriminatory than the south. Like, what sense would it make for majority of blacks to live in the south when it's supposedly racist? Can you comprehend that? Actually, we don't use all the welfare


 
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This thread is turning into a bit of a quagmire, so you'll both excuse me if I step out and leave you to it >.>


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Both of you, watch the personal attacks. >.>

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No, it's not fair. It's the same as punishing a kid for making honor roll
Surely you don't advocate for a flat tax...right?


 
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No, it's not fair. It's the same as punishing a kid for making honor roll
Surely you don't advocate for a flat tax...right?
Works for Estonia.


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Surely you don't advocate for a flat tax...right?
Works for Estonia.
I mean, I guess that's nice for them, but Estonia is much different than the US in a great many ways. Hell, their population is about that of San Diego.


 
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I mean, I guess that's nice for them, but Estonia is much different than the US in a great many ways. Hell, their population is about that of San Diego.
Oh sure, I'm not claiming it's the best thing to do for the U.S.

If the U.S. were a post-Communist country after the fall of the Soviet Union, then maybe.

I just like to head off any liberal intuitions against flat income taxes >.> They aren't universally bad, as many claim.


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I mean, I guess that's nice for them, but Estonia is much different than the US in a great many ways. Hell, their population is about that of San Diego.
Oh sure, I'm not claiming it's the best thing to do for the U.S.

If the U.S. were a post-Communist country after the fall of the Soviet Union, then maybe.

I just like to head off any liberal intuitions against flat income taxes >.> They aren't universally bad, as many claim.
That's true. There's a time and place for a lot of such things, but it would shit on everyone if implemented in the US.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Gee, I guess that's why the economy tanked with Bush and many other Republicans but did great under Clinton and has recovered pretty well under Obama.
Wasn't Bush's fault.
Was slightly Clinton's fault.
Isn't Obama's fault.


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Not only is she running, but we have a very good idea of what her campaign will look like.

Hillary Clinton is in the final stages of planning a presidential campaign that will most likely be launched in early April and has made decisions on most top posts, according to numerous Democrats in close contact with the Clintons and their aides.

Campaign advisers say the likelihood of a campaign, long at 98 percent (she never really hesitated, according to one person close to her), went to 100 percent right after Christmas, when Clinton approved a preliminary budget and several key hires.

Most of the top slots have been decided, with one notable exception: communications director, a job that is now the subject of intense lobbying and jockeying among some of the biggest names in Democratic politics. One top contender is White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri, who is close to likely campaign chairman John Podesta.

Numerous lessons from Clinton’s failed 2008 campaign are being baked into the 2016 plan, including a determination to improve relations with the news media — or, at the very least, to have a “good cop” role to help her get off on a better foot with the journalists who will help shape her image.

Reflecting other lessons learned, the campaign is being planned with more of a “big-tent mentality,” as one adviser put it. And Bill Clinton is being integrated from the start, after feeling isolated from parts of her campaign against Barack Obama.

One component of Hillary Clinton’s emerging strategy involves quietly but aggressively courting key endorsers from the left, who could help increase progressives’ comfort level and take the wind out of a potential challenge. Two top targets: Robert Reich, the economist and former labor secretary in her husband’s administration, and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), the civil rights icon. In December, she won public endorsements from former Democratic National Committee Chairman and Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.).

Bill Clinton is already deeply engaged in the campaign, warning that Jeb Bush is a real threat, while New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is probably just a sideshow.

The former president got a heads-up from the camp of President George H.W. Bush a few days before former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush made his surprise Facebook announcement in December that he would “actively explore” a campaign. The two former presidents have developed a friendly bond, partly because of their work together on relief for the 2004 Asian tsunami.

The exact timing of Hillary Clinton’s launch is unknown, but close allies expect her to officially enter the 2016 race shortly after the end of this quarter, so that her first fundraising report will be a blockbuster. On March 4, the Clinton Foundation holds its annual gala in New York, with entertainment by Carole King, and it’s expected to be one of the Clintons’ final major events before the campaign.

Friends and advisers say she is planning this campaign “her way,” without being buffaloed by outside pressure.

“She is taking her time,” one adviser said. “Part of doing something right is … taking the time to balance the advice she is getting with her own thoughts. She’s in no rush. People have been putting a red ‘X’ on the calendar for a long time, but that isn’t necessarily happening internally.”

Clinton will enter the Democratic race with a bang — and virtually no opposition to speak of. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who could mount a serious campaign from the left, has said she won’t run, and is making no behind-the-scenes preparations. Vice President Joe Biden says he might very well run — but mainly wants his name in the mix in case Clinton implodes.

This leaves a trio of long shots with scant money: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley and former Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia.

The potential opposition is so weak that Clinton might wind up not even debating during the primaries, which many Democrats view as a mixed blessing.

The Clinton team knows it can’t campaign with the swagger of a presumptive nominee because the air of inevitability was so damaging last time around. That said, some advisers are already privately talking up potential running mates, with Sens. Michael Bennet of Colorado and Tim Kaine of Virginia dominating the early speculation.

Some advisers expect a push for diversity on the ticket. So the shortlist also is expected to include Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro, Labor Secretary Tom Perez, Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey and perhaps California Attorney General Kamala Harris, who is running for U.S. Senate.

Despite the internal confidence, Clinton won’t enter without substantial concerns and obstacles, some of which are self-evident to her top advisers and are a subject of constant conversation among Democrats during the build-up phase.

The Warren wing can be expected to continue pounding her for fat speaking fees and chummy Wall Street relations, and try to pull her to the left in ways that are unnatural for the Clintons. If she were to lurch left, she would risk appearing insincere or baldly political.

These allies also know the past problems of Clinton Inc. that could resurface: the competing Bill and Hillary camps, the questionable donors and backbiting when things get tense or go south. Clinton insiders blame a confused and conflicted ’08 structure for many of her stumbles in that primary race.

The campaign-in-waiting is working to assuage these concerns by creating a coherent leadership structure and bridging the Bill and Hillary worlds. “There’s an enormous amount of coordination and communication that goes on with his office,” an adviser said. “Everybody recognizes that it’s important.”

Here’s the rub: A trio of people with substantial juice will be above campaign manager Robby Mook — with Podesta, who is leaving his West Wing post as counselor next month for a short stay at the Center for American Progress until the campaign formally launches, serving as chairman; longtime family counselor Cheryl Mills serving as a top adviser, regardless of whether she is on the inside or outside (a possible title: co-chair); and longtime close aide Huma Abedin, the most important non-Clinton in her orbit. (When the White House wants to reach Clinton, Abedin gets the call.) Philippe Reines, one of the longest-serving Hillary whisperers, will be another crucial outside adviser.

Toss in Bill and Chelsea, and it’s clear why structure is such a stress point.


Tom Nides, who returned to Morgan Stanley after serving as Hillary Clinton’s deputy secretary of state, will have a top role in the campaign — probably involving high-level fundraising. Dennis Cheng, the Clinton Foundation’s chief development officer, is expected to move over to the campaign in a top finance post.

Advisers know that Clinton neither likes nor trusts the press — and feels that it’s mutual. She remains a voracious consumer of news about herself, occasionally complaining about an article’s tone or omissions.

But she got largely favorable coverage as secretary of state and experienced a press corps that she considered more substantive and less sensational. She visited with reporters in the back of her plane on international trips and discovered they don’t bite. So the campaign plans to include a media-friendly communications official, as a counterweight to the instinctive insularity of Hillaryland.

“You do see what works and address what works the next time around,” an adviser said. “The default isn’t toward the pit-bull mentality.”

In addition to Palmieri, other names that have been in the hopper: Eric Schultz, principal deputy White House press secretary; Brian Fallon, an alumnus of New York Sen. Chuck Schumer’s office who is now the top spokesman for Attorney General Eric Holder; Mo Elleithee, the DNC communications director; Karen Finney, a former MSNBC host and alumna of the Clinton White House; and Kiki McLean, a consultant and strategist who has worked at the top of many national campaigns.

Nick Merrill, who worked with Reines at State and is now Clinton’s spokesman, is trusted and well liked and will remain in the inner circle.

Clinton has recruited two of the top brains of the Obama campaign — pollster Joel Benenson and media strategist Jim Margolis, who worked for her husband’s campaign in 1992. Now that the architecture of the campaign is clear, the two are helping with the next critical task: developing her message.

Well, it's all but official now.
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