Clinton Expected to Launch Campaign in April

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · January 28, 2015, 08:59:20 PM

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big sponge · January 28, 2015, 09:28:44 PM

Well on the bright side she'll knock herself out of the running at a later date by winning.

That way some of the better democrats can compete in the primaries after her term(s) are up.

Spoiler

Yes I'm comfortable calling this race early. The Clinton's are really well liked for some reason, have a lot of experience in politics and have a lot of money to throw around. The Republican primaries kill viable national election candidates due to the fact that they have to cater to the tea party and other far right loonies just to win which in turn puts them at odds with the majority of Americans. Jeb has the word Bush attached to his name and therefore will be trying to run with a 5 ton gorilla strapped to his back.

Kinder Graham · January 28, 2015, 10:05:51 PM

Oh fuck no. I'll go on record and say I'd rather have Obama run for a 3rd time then let that bitch ever set foot on the campaign

Forgewolf · January 28, 2015, 10:09:42 PM

Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 28, 2015, 10:05:51 PM

Oh fuck no. I'll go on record and say I'd rather have Obama run for a 3rd time then let that bitch ever set foot on the campaign

I'd rather not have Obama anymore though either. How about Gary Johnson? Someone that actually live on Earth still

Alternative Facts · January 28, 2015, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 28, 2015, 10:05:51 PM

Oh fuck no. I'll go on record and say I'd rather have Obama run for a 3rd time then let that bitch ever set foot on the campaign

Again...why?

Mad Max · January 28, 2015, 11:30:56 PM

Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 28, 2015, 10:05:51 PM

Oh fuck no. I'll go on record and say I'd rather have Obama run for a 3rd time then let that bitch ever set foot on the campaign

If only there was a way for you to voice your opinion about who you wanted to be the leader of our country...

Blackbox Rob · January 29, 2015, 01:50:41 AM

I wanna know her stance on marijuana and gay marriage.

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 03:39:58 AM

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Kinder Graham · January 29, 2015, 08:05:52 AM

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Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 02:06:19 PM
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Let me ask - what is so bad about Clinton?
She has some fairly shit opinions. I don't have the sheet on me at the moment that I made comparing Clinton, Rubio and Gary Johnson but Clinton was by far and away the worst there.
I don't want to be rude because I like you, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The republicans want to do nothing but run America into the ground and have done so almost every time they've been elected.

Good to know indoctrination is a real thing

Democrats are running this country into the ground. It's a fucking blessing they lost control of the Senate

Forgewolf · January 29, 2015, 08:29:09 AM

Quote from: Blackbox Rob on January 29, 2015, 01:50:41 AM

I wanna know her stance on marijuana and gay marriage.

She's probably against both, because she's a cunt?

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 08:49:52 AM

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Alternative Facts · January 29, 2015, 09:09:15 AM

Quote from: Forgewolf on January 29, 2015, 08:29:09 AM

Quote from: Blackbox Rob on January 29, 2015, 01:50:41 AM
I wanna know her stance on marijuana and gay marriage.
She's probably against both, because she's a cunt?

Wow. Professional.

She supports SSM and I don't believe has made a recent statement on marijuana.

Kinder Graham · January 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM

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Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 02:06:19 PM
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Let me ask - what is so bad about Clinton?
She has some fairly shit opinions. I don't have the sheet on me at the moment that I made comparing Clinton, Rubio and Gary Johnson but Clinton was by far and away the worst there.
I don't want to be rude because I like you, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The republicans want to do nothing but run America into the ground and have done so almost every time they've been elected.
Good to know indoctrination is a real thing

Democrats are running this country into the ground. It's a fucking blessing they lost control of the Senate
The irony.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10

For one, the Federal Reserve ruined the economy in the 70s and 80s
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm
Inflation was increasing since 1965, which led to economic situations later on

But here's a study, not some "insider", saying the Democrats ruined the economy
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-study-confirms-economy-was-destroyed-by-democrat-policies

If you want some added fun, only a mere 250K something jobs added since 2009 up til now was a collective 49 states+D.C; The conservative stronghold of Texas added the majority of over 1 million jobs since 2009

More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 10:10:13 AM

Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2015, 03:39:58 AM

I don't want to be rude because I like you, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The republicans want to do nothing but run America into the ground and have done so almost every time they've been elected.

I like you too, but you're incredibly partisan, at least when it's against Republicans. Republicans, quite clearly, don't want to run the U.S. into the ground, and whether you think their policies will do that is an interesting discussion.

But let's be honest here, the Democrats who've 'endowed' the country with good economic growth have done so largely by adopting centrist/conservative policies; Kennedy's tax-cuts (ruined by the Great Society and LBJ), Clinton's appointment of Robert Rubin as head of the CEA and the maintenance of PAYGO rules. And when Republicans have fucked the economy, it's been because of profligacy a la Bush, which I have a hard time categorising as conservative.

I didn't even come out for the Republicans in my post, anyway, I just said Rubio was better than Hillary.

More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 10:15:36 AM

Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM

For one, the Federal Reserve ruined the economy in the 70s and 80s
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm
Inflation was increasing since 1965, which led to economic situations later on

The Fed saved the economy in the 1980s.

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But here's a study, not some "insider", saying the Democrats ruined the economy
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-study-confirms-economy-was-destroyed-by-democrat-policies

While I agree that your tax-and-spend Democrats are worse on the economy than Republicans, that study is bullshit. The housing bubble isn't relevant to the Recession, and the CRA had very little to do with the bubble anyway.

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 10:28:13 AM

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Mad Max · January 29, 2015, 10:32:08 AM

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Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2015, 03:39:58 AM
I don't want to be rude because I like you, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The republicans want to do nothing but run America into the ground and have done so almost every time they've been elected.
I like you too, but you're incredibly partisan, at least when it's against Republicans. Republicans, quite clearly, don't want to run the U.S. into the ground, and whether you think their policies will do that is an interesting discussion.

But let's be honest here, the Democrats who've 'endowed' the country with good economic growth have done so largely by adopting centrist/conservative policies; Kennedy's tax-cuts (ruined by the Great Society and LBJ), Clinton's appointment of Robert Rubin as head of the CEA and the maintenance of PAYGO rules. And when Republicans have fucked the economy, it's been because of profligacy a la Bush, which I have a hard time categorising as conservative.

I didn't even come out for the Republicans in my post, anyway, I just said Rubio was better than Hillary.
Of course I'm partisan when there are only two parties and one of them wants to destroy America for everybody who isn't rich. Sorry, but you're wrong. There has almost never been a time conservatism has caused progress for humanity or created a stable economy. They actively deny climate change, it's the party of racists, they're incredibly classist, they hate immigrants. There's nothing good about them.

Let's not forget about when they openly stated their objective was to make Obama a one-term president.

Is that your strategy behind closed doors? Whatever. But to say it to the press? LOL

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 10:33:26 AM

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More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 10:39:46 AM

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There has almost never been a time conservatism has caused progress for humanity or created a stable economy.

Just to deal with this claim:

- Reagan deserves some credit for the disinflation that occurred in the early 1980s.
- Ford's deregulation helped to spur economic growth.
- Clinton's fiscal discipline is what created the budget surpluses.
- We owe the stability of 1987-2006 to a Republican.

And that's just in the states.

More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 10:43:04 AM

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This "insider" you're disregarding is David Stockman

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Stockman sees a class-rebellion, a new revolution, a war against greed and the wealthy. Soon.

Considering he's equally dismissive of Democratic economics, I'd be interested to know just what this guy believes.

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 10:54:28 AM

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More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 10:57:48 AM

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And Clinton was/is a Democrat so I don't know why you're bringing him up.

Because he followed conservative economic policies, which is what you're criticising. It's entirely possible for a Republican (like Nixon, funnily enough, who declared himself to be a Keynesian in '71) to not follow conservative policies.

Your 'insider' is also an apparent gold-bug who's criticising Reagan for not being conservative enough. . .

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 11:01:35 AM

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More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 11:05:12 AM

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He's damning of how America has shipped its jobs overseas and it's living off false prosperity.

Outsourcing isn't a problem; actually it's a benefit.

You don't usually here claims of false prosperity except from hard-money, free-market Austrians--which I know you aren't. His whole idea of false prosperity is based on monetary inflation, which isn't an issue again.

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The Republicans especially have destructive policies.

I'll grant you that, sure. But you criticised conservatism.

The most destructive Republican policies have come from abandoning conservative prescriptions.

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 11:19:42 AM

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More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 11:25:04 AM

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Outsourcing is destroying our countries. Instead of all these jobs being in our own countries

The pool of jobs isn't fixed. . . Having things produced elsewhere for cheaper frees up labour to pursue more economically beneficial activity, and helps consumers by making goods cheaper.

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Conservatism in America = Republicans

Not true; Republicans would never criticise Bush for not being a conservative, as many do, if that were explicitly the case.

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I'm not talking about fiscal conservatism.

Neither am I, I'm talking about economic policy wholly.

Kinder Graham · January 29, 2015, 11:31:35 AM

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Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2015, 03:39:58 AM
I don't want to be rude because I like you, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The republicans want to do nothing but run America into the ground and have done so almost every time they've been elected.
I like you too, but you're incredibly partisan, at least when it's against Republicans. Republicans, quite clearly, don't want to run the U.S. into the ground, and whether you think their policies will do that is an interesting discussion.

But let's be honest here, the Democrats who've 'endowed' the country with good economic growth have done so largely by adopting centrist/conservative policies; Kennedy's tax-cuts (ruined by the Great Society and LBJ), Clinton's appointment of Robert Rubin as head of the CEA and the maintenance of PAYGO rules. And when Republicans have fucked the economy, it's been because of profligacy a la Bush, which I have a hard time categorising as conservative.

I didn't even come out for the Republicans in my post, anyway, I just said Rubio was better than Hillary.
Of course I'm partisan when there are only two parties and one of them wants to destroy America for everybody who isn't rich. Sorry, but you're wrong. There has almost never been a time conservatism has caused progress for humanity or created a stable economy. They actively deny climate change, it's the party of racists, they're incredibly classist, they hate immigrants. There's nothing good about them.

You're seriously delusional if you think the goal of a party is to ruin a country. There's no logic behind that reasoning. You have an unhealthy and ignorant bias that proves Meta's thread correct when liberals are more close-mined than conservatives. The Democrats want to make people that work hard feel like the bad guys by taxing them to hell. If you SERIOUSLY think Republicans have never benefited the economy, are racisists, xenophobes, etc then you're the definition of ignorance and it's disgusting you're acting in a fascist manner

Kinder Graham · January 29, 2015, 11:39:38 AM

Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2015, 10:33:26 AM

Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM
Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2015, 08:49:52 AM
Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 29, 2015, 08:05:52 AM
Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2015, 03:39:58 AM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: Icy on January 28, 2015, 02:02:59 PM
Let me ask - what is so bad about Clinton?
She has some fairly shit opinions. I don't have the sheet on me at the moment that I made comparing Clinton, Rubio and Gary Johnson but Clinton was by far and away the worst there.
I don't want to be rude because I like you, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The republicans want to do nothing but run America into the ground and have done so almost every time they've been elected.
Good to know indoctrination is a real thing

Democrats are running this country into the ground. It's a fucking blessing they lost control of the Senate
The irony.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10

For one, the Federal Reserve ruined the economy in the 70s and 80s
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm
Inflation was increasing since 1965, which led to economic situations later on

But here's a study, not some "insider", saying the Democrats ruined the economy
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-study-confirms-economy-was-destroyed-by-democrat-policies

If you want some added fun, only a mere 250K something jobs added since 2009 up til now was a collective 49 states+D.C; The conservative stronghold of Texas added the majority of over 1 million jobs since 2009
>complete lies
>bullshit study misrepresenting the facts and straight up lying

This "insider" you're disregarding is David Stockman, "President Ronald Reagan's director of the Office of Management and Budget". It's incredible how hard you deny the facts and then how vehemently you accuse others of what you do. Republicans nearly collapsed America.

tl;dr: Chally instead of refuting uses his typical "lalalala i can't hear you" attitude when facts are shown that discredit him. God, grow up already. I bet if I told you the grass was green then you would call that a lie because that IS your attitude

So because he has some fancy title, he's automatically the most "credibe" source on the planet? By that logic, the Republican in-charge of the environmental committee must be the most credible person on the climate

You're the one denying facts as the fact is inflation started growing in 1965 and snowballed for the next 15 years. To battle inflation, Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, who defeated it by putting the nation through an intentional recession. Once the threat of inflation abated in late 1982, Volcker cut interest rates and flooded the economy with money, fueling an expansion that lasted seven years. Neither Carter nor Reagan had much to do with the economic events that occurred during their terms. Because if you seriously think the president has total control of the economy then you're totally damn wrong

challengerX · January 29, 2015, 11:47:57 AM

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More Than Mortal · January 29, 2015, 11:51:13 AM

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>Reagan didn't have anything to do with the economy

This is the only part I'm going to jump into, but Kinder didn't say that. He said the President doesn't have total control. Which is true. In fact, they don't even have most of the control; that title belongs to the Fed Chairman.