Two Christian ministers who own an Idaho wedding chapel were told they had to either perform same-sex weddings or face jail time and up to a $1,000 fine, according to a lawsuit filed Friday in federal court.Alliance Defending Freedom is representing Donald and Evelyn Knapp, ordained ministers who own the Hitching Post Wedding Chapel in Coeur d’Alene.“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,” their ADF attorney, Jeremy Tedesco, told me. “The threat of enforcement is more than just credible.”According to the lawsuit, the wedding chapel is registered with the state as a “religious corporation” limited to performing “one-man-one-woman marriages as defined by the Holy Bible.”But the chapel is also registered as a for-profit business – not as a church or place of worship – and city officials said that means the owners must comply with a local nondiscrimination ordinance.That ordinance, passed last year, prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation, and it applies to housing, employment and public accommodation.
They shouldn't have registered as a for-profit corporation if they didn't want to comply with the law.
They shouldn't be forced to marry a couple that they don't want to.It's uncool of them, but it should be up to them.
Quote from: RustingFloor on October 20, 2014, 03:00:54 PMThey shouldn't be forced to marry a couple that they don't want to.It's uncool of them, but it should be up to them.Even if they're registered as For-Profit? They still have laws to abide by.
You can't stop progress
Quote from: Naja on October 20, 2014, 05:16:25 PMYou can't stop progressFreedom of Church and State
Quote from: Kinder on October 20, 2014, 05:24:54 PMQuote from: Naja on October 20, 2014, 05:16:25 PMYou can't stop progressFreedom of Church and StateLol
Such bullshit.
Quote from: Mega Sceptile on October 20, 2014, 06:15:18 PMQuote from: PSU on October 20, 2014, 06:08:19 PMSuch bullshit. Not really, that's what they get for putting themselves down as a "for profit" business, can't bend the laws of the business just because they're calling themselves a church.Why does it matter that they profit? The law itself is unjust and the ministers have the right to refuse service to anyone.
Quote from: PSU on October 20, 2014, 06:08:19 PMSuch bullshit. Not really, that's what they get for putting themselves down as a "for profit" business, can't bend the laws of the business just because they're calling themselves a church.
Quote from: Mega Sceptile on October 20, 2014, 06:37:33 PMQuote from: Camnator on October 20, 2014, 06:18:17 PMQuote from: Mega Sceptile on October 20, 2014, 06:15:18 PMQuote from: PSU on October 20, 2014, 06:08:19 PMSuch bullshit. Not really, that's what they get for putting themselves down as a "for profit" business, can't bend the laws of the business just because they're calling themselves a church.Why does it matter that they profit? The law itself is unjust and the ministers have the right to refuse service to anyone. It's because they've put down in their legal documentation that they are a for profit business, Wallmart, Target, the local diner across town, all of them follow the same laws. if you've taken ANY grade 11 business courses you'd know that. Any company that is classified as a "For Profit" business MUST comply with the laws of the government.No one has to comply with unjust laws, and Wal-Mart has just as much of a right to refuse service to ANYONE. Again, the fact they are profiting is irrelevant. It's a PRIVATE business and the government has no authority to infringe upon them. Only the government isn't allowed to be discriminatory under the Constitution.
Quote from: Camnator on October 20, 2014, 06:18:17 PMQuote from: Mega Sceptile on October 20, 2014, 06:15:18 PMQuote from: PSU on October 20, 2014, 06:08:19 PMSuch bullshit. Not really, that's what they get for putting themselves down as a "for profit" business, can't bend the laws of the business just because they're calling themselves a church.Why does it matter that they profit? The law itself is unjust and the ministers have the right to refuse service to anyone. It's because they've put down in their legal documentation that they are a for profit business, Wallmart, Target, the local diner across town, all of them follow the same laws. if you've taken ANY grade 11 business courses you'd know that. Any company that is classified as a "For Profit" business MUST comply with the laws of the government.
Quote from: Mega Sceptile on October 20, 2014, 06:59:02 PMYou're right, you CAN refuse "unjust" laws, but don't proceed to bitch about it when your stupid ass is taken into jail and raped, you asked for it when you said you aren't going to follow the law.Actually, you SHOULD complain about corrupted tyranny. It's why we fought a revolution. The only thing stupid is that illegal "law" that infringes upon people.
You're right, you CAN refuse "unjust" laws, but don't proceed to bitch about it when your stupid ass is taken into jail and raped, you asked for it when you said you aren't going to follow the law.
Both of you, cool it.
Quote from: IcyWind on October 20, 2014, 07:17:54 PMBoth of you, cool it.This phrase has been said far too many times in Serious.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 20, 2014, 07:18:26 PMQuote from: IcyWind on October 20, 2014, 07:17:54 PMBoth of you, cool it.This phrase has been said far too many times in Serious.Unfortunately, that's hot button topics for you, and we get that.
Common sense? No, threatening to arrest someone for their beliefs is NOT ethical nor common sense. I won't address your baseless insults, I'll just report you. These people can get married somewhere else, that is their choice and this minister will lose business. That's what the free-market is all about. What about the rights of business owners? Hypothetically, if a business refused to serve black people that is their right, and their loss of business will be the consequence.
City Threatens to Arrest Ministers who refuse to perform same-sex weddings
