I'm waiting for the Alex Jones video where he talks about the Left hiring the driver to Dodge Ram those protestors.

Quote from: Aether on August 14, 2017, 10:00:36 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on August 14, 2017, 08:52:03 PM

Quote from: Aether on August 14, 2017, 08:00:06 PM

Does anyone really believe these people would be allowed to affect the political landscape to that extent?

Yes, because not opposing the opposition is how you lose political power.

I didn't say to not oppose them, just to stop taking them seriously. If a white-nationalist candidate runs for some office then of course, by all means, elect their opposition. These people are a fringe minority. Despite what some people would like to believe, the majority of the right are not actually nazis.

You're gonna have to a bit more specific than just say we should "stop taking them seriously". Their movements appear to be gaining more traction and growing in boldness and numbers. You throw enormous mountains of evidence of climate change at people, and the US now has an open climate change denier as its leader who's withdrawing from CC conventions, repealing environment protection rules, removing government funded evidence from the white house resources and instating a cabinet that opposes climate change measures. You ignore anti-vaxx idiots and shower them with reasons as to why they're wrong on all media and in public demonstrations, and still preventable diseases are making a comeback because the anti-vaxx movement is continuing to grow.

It's easy to say that they just shouldn't be taken seriously and that we should treat them as a joke. But at any given time, there's thousands upon thousands of (often young and impressionable) people who end up watching propaganda youtube videos, seeing misleading political memes, reading downright false posts on Facebook, Twitter and social media groups, or being fed bullshit by others on forums or chats. And every single day, a good number of people seeing this drivel will go "you know what, they have a point". And they turn away from reputable sources in favor of slanted youtube videos and shitty alternative "news" outlets. "My side is 100% right and the only one that knows the truth, while the other is 100% wrong and the enemy that needs to be defeated so things can become better again". They enter an echo chamber and surround themselves with people who will confirm their views and biases, and they will continue to detest and exclude any other viewpoints to the point that the only time they see or hear anything of these other people is when they see clips of masked antifa activists macing "their people" and chanting violent slogans.

It's easy to say that just ignoring the problem is going to make it go away or amount to nothing. That they should just be treated as a joke. But they're a rabbit hole. These people don't start as literal neo-nazis, thinking they're genetically superior and that white is right. It starts small. A misleading facebook post here, some fake news there, the occasional political meme oversimplying an issue and showing how the "others" are morons incapable of grasping common sense... It's a seed that's planted. And then it's watered with a lot of confirmation bias. "Have you heard that this news site made a mistake in an article? Yeah man, fake news, the lot of it. All biased and MSM left wing propaganda. Best stay away from them and stick to reputable sites bringing you the real news, like RadicalConservativeNews.com or BanAllLiberals.blogspot.com". And then they're made to feel like they're under attack and threatened. "Yeah man, we were just protesting peacefully in our combat gear carrying torches, bats, rocks and shields while chanting DEATH TO ANTIFA so we were really not doing anything (this guy who thinks just like us and has been on our team for ages and just drove his car into a crowd wasn't really part of us, just so you know) but then we were maced because we're being censored and everyone hates free speech but us".

And at that point, the propaganda really takes hold. Blatant misrepresentations and poor understanding of statistics lead to them just eating up anything and everything. Jews are controlling the world and are planning to get rid of the white race. Foreigners only want to rape and pillage ("have you even SEEN what happens in SWEDEN AND GERMANY??") and impose sharia law everywhere. Nazism isn't that bad and the holocaust really is just exaggerated (just look at these debunked reports from widely discredited "researchers"). Their marches are innocent because they have titles such as "unity" and "freedom" in them, so there's no harm here. We are the good guys here. They're regressive and want to keep the truth hidden so that they can force anyone to fall in line with their emotions and lies.

There's a lot less moderation and center remaining. It's a lot easier now to get radicalized and learn to hate the other. The most extreme drag the rest down with them on both sides. Fascism doesn't happen overnight. Extremist ideas become increasingly normalized. So people pick sides. And they're not all rabid racists and nazis. But they do slowly side with them. Because they're still "their people" fighting the good fight against "the other". And it's very easy for these impressionable people who are already into the shithole to be told that "nooo, we're not REAL nazis, that's fake news! We just want to protect the white heritage and our conservative rights against the enemy who will subjugate us all if we don't do something soon. That's not unreasonable is it?" It's easy to forget, but I think you underestimate how easy it is for these hateful ideals to slowly take hold under the guise of something else entirely.

Quote from: Aether on August 15, 2017, 10:26:33 AM

I think you're kind of missing the main points of my post.

1. Treating something like a joke doesn't necessarily make it any less serious. You laugh at climate change deniers / anti-vaxxers and shower them with facts and reason, and yet the US now has a president voted for by almost half the country who is both a CC denier and anti-vaxxer, all while certain preventable diseases are making a comeback and environmental protection regulations are being repealed. It's clear that showing these people that they are wrong and not giving them any credibility whatsoever doesn't necessarily work at all.

2. This isn't an all or nothing scenario where the only way these people succeed is when they turn the West into the Fourth Reich. Just like with the examples above, it's possible for them to do a lot of damage well before they get there. Populism has been on the rise in many parts of the world. Anti-intellectualism, denial of science and alternative facts are commonplace and often encouraged. We see Trump, Brexit and far right nationalist leaders becoming more popular go hand in hand with increases in crime against minorities and the radicalization of fringe groups now feeling empowered. These people helped elect Trump who, when asked to condemn neo nazis executing terror attacks in the US, literally just turned around and walked out of the room without answering. Sure, the literal nazis donning swastikas might be a fringe minority, but the gist of their ideals is taking hold with many more. I'll try finding an article I read about it earlier, but it basically said that many of the influential people in these movements realize that their way forward is not by banking on a new generation of all people saluting Hitler or burning crosses in white gowns. Their future is to turn these beliefs into something mainstream that slowly slides down a slope, and they're succeeding at it.

As I said earlier, I think you're underestimating this. It's easy to say that we can just treat it as a joke and a fringe minority doomed to fail, but every single day more and more people are taking on these extremist views, only now with a nice bow on it. "I'm not a climate change denier, but you're not gonna tell me global warming is real as long as it still snows on Christmas! I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but you're not gonna convince me that a baby needs all these chemicals injected! I'm not a racist nazi, but I just think that whites should fight back against jews and foreigners!" Violence is not the answer, but I think you're wrong in saying that dismissing them as a joke and fools with a vision that can never succeed is going to accomplish anything. Because they don't need a Fourth Reich to win. They just need their extreme ideals to find a more mainstream audience. And while we just laugh at them, the process I described in my earlier post turns many moderates into hardliners who eagerly embrace the "nazi/extremist/racist/counter-factual" views, only now as a lite and slightly fluffier version.

Quote from: Genghis Khan on August 15, 2017, 05:49:58 PM

I listen to Alex Jones

Can you open my jar of pickles?

I listen to Alex Jones because there's so much leftist propaganda and I'm sick of it. Schools, media, TV, entertainment are all on the left and the right-wing are nowhere to be found. I'm tired of hearing how bad we are.

Paul Joseph Watson.

Quote from: Luciana on August 15, 2017, 10:12:25 PM

Quote from: Genghis Khan on August 15, 2017, 06:13:30 PM

Quote from: Luciana on August 15, 2017, 06:09:54 PM

Quote from: Genghis Khan on August 15, 2017, 05:49:58 PM

I listen to Alex Jones

Can you open my jar of pickles?

Seriously, the guy is a national treasure. He's the only reason I have energy to smile every day.

You must live a pretty shitty existence then if you need some overweight dude who ripped off Ghost to keep you happy.

Super male vitality beats Michael Moore. And it's not just Alex, there's Paul Joseph Watson, and others conservatives to admire.

Quote from: Mint on August 17, 2017, 01:07:54 AM

Quote from: Luciana on August 16, 2017, 05:57:17 PM

YouTube

You guys should watch this when you get the chance. I did with my family. Warning though, it's sobering/depressing as hell. Also highlights just how under-prepared law enforcement was.

>Vice

fucking hell no

Is it leftist propaganda?