The reason I say end suffering of humanity, is because in the big picture of things, ask yourself what religion is really for. We're a very scared race of people, we fear death and we fear our very nature. We think that given free reign humanity would basically destroy itself. That obviously reflects on the poor nature of human kind, but it also reflects on the nature of why people feel the need religion. They're afraid, they feel helpless. So, in a sense though, I feel like taking religion away would solve a lot of those problems. It would lead people to a more enlightened view of human kind, it would lead to a more enlightened society as a whole.

Religion arose from mankind's desire to explain the unknown.

You've very clearly made up your mind on the topic for now, but I'd say you are going too far.

It's so funny to me when people argue "what is god trying to tell us", god doesn't exist and it's so damn foolish. It's like they have to say he exists all the time, just to convince themselves. No one gives a shit about evidence. They're so nervous they need there to be a god to make themselves feel comforted.

The whole god doesn't exist thing is something that really can't be proven, and so you cannot win that argument when arguing with a theist, nor can a theist win. Basically, it's a painful waste of time for everyone involved.

People do in fact, care about evidence. There have been many notable Christian scientists throughout time and to assume that Christians don't care about evidence anymore is an erroneous claim. Referring specifically to evidence about the existence of God, you again run into the issue of you cannot disprove God with modern science.

While it is true many people do turn to religion as a form of comfort for the many difficulties they face in their lives, there's nothing inherently wrong about this. It's a community of people coming together over the shared idea of something greater than each of them that binds them together and encourages them to help each other.

You seem to focus on this conception you have of religious people being absolutely, pant-shittingly, terrified of death and just about everything. I can't say where you got this idea from, but I can tell you that it isn't true for every theist or Christian at the least.

You've very clearly made up your mind on the topic for now, but I'd say you are going too far.

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It's so funny to me when people argue "what is god trying to tell us", god doesn't exist and it's so damn foolish. It's like they have to say he exists all the time, just to convince themselves. No one gives a shit about evidence. They're so nervous they need there to be a god to make themselves feel comforted.

The whole god doesn't exist thing is something that really can't be proven, and so you cannot win that argument when arguing with a theist, nor can a theist win. Basically, it's a painful waste of time for everyone involved.

People do in fact, care about evidence. There have been many notable Christian scientists throughout time and to assume that Christians don't care about evidence anymore is an erroneous claim. Referring specifically to evidence about the existence of God, you again run into the issue of you cannot disprove God with modern science.

While it is true many people do turn to religion as a form of comfort for the many difficulties they face in their lives, there's nothing inherently wrong about this. It's a community of people coming together over the shared idea of something greater than each of them that binds them together and encourages them to help each other.

You seem to focus on this conception you have of religious people being absolutely, pant-shittingly, terrified of death and just about everything. I can't say where you got this idea from, but I can tell you that it isn't true for every theist or Christian at the least.

You may as well say a fucking unicorn exists too, or basically anything you can make up that can't be disproven. It's called an falsifiable hypothesis.

Quote from: Essessen on December 22, 2015, 11:04:38 AM

Basically, it's a painful waste of time for everyone involved.

I'll make it easy for you.

He doesn't exist. You claim he exists, but you have no proof. Essentially, it boils down to believing a kid has an invisible friend only he can see or hear.

Thanks fam, I'm sure that this will change my views on life and also the views of all theists out there. Surely this will go somewhere great.

Religious scientists have been held back by their superstitious beliefs. Einstein, for example.

Again, you can't prove a claim you're making. Thus, he doesn't exist.

I'm not aware of how Einstein was held back by his religious beliefs, and I'm sure there were many that weren't. 

Personally, I'd rather not get into the argument of "inability to prove a claim doesn't mean the claim is false" for the umpteenth time. 

There is, actually.

It's discomfort, fear, and danger that drives us to be the best we can be. To break barriers like oceans and space.

So you think that religion makes one absent from discomfort, fear, and danger? I find this perplexing as I've met many religious people that use their religious communities to help them overcome and work through those things. Ultimately though, it requires them to make the real pushes in the right direction, and the community only serves to guide them along, like asking a group of friends or family for help when you have questions.

Maybe not, but to deny these major religions are anything more than a slightly more sophisticated death cult is laughable.

Feel free to elaborate on how they only serve as that. While mass/organized religions do have their inevitable faults, how are they in sum death cults?