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More replying to Chally without going through the work of actually replying to him.

Equal punishment for false accusations is also a pretty sticky situation. If the police don't find any evidence of rape but nothing to directly refute it who gets punished? I'm sure less women will come forward with allegations if the threat of jail time is a possibility. For a crime that goes mostly unreported, having less women (or men) come forward is not an ideal outcome.

You're right about that. It's a good thing I'm not a lawmaker, because I don't have any answers to what we should do about that. I just know that doing nothing like we did in Ford's case, sends exactly the wrong message to women across the country.


 
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Ok
Just don't pretend as if you didn't already have your mind made up about the guy and you were actually hoping for evidence to change your mind to be presented during the course of this thing. The way you talk about Kavanaugh being a rich white kid, I swear you're on one of those SJW compilations
Because he is a rich white kid who started life on 3rd base.

Guy looks like an extra off of Dead Poets Society.


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Equal punishment for false accusations is also a pretty sticky situation. If the police don't find any evidence of rape but nothing to directly refute it who gets punished? I'm sure less women will come forward with allegations if the threat of jail time is a possibility. For a crime that goes mostly unreported, having less women (or men) come forward is not an ideal outcome.
Well we wouldn’t want to convict anybody that can’t be proven to have committed perjury either.


 
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There's an argument to be made about women being already untrusting of the system and potential punishment, regardless of how infrequently it's unjustified, could deter them from speaking up.


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There's an argument to be made about women being already untrusting of the system and potential punishment, regardless of how infrequently it's unjustified, could deter them from speaking up.

We need to tell women to step forward but step forward with evidence

I think this whole rape culture argument in America is just a big misunderstanding. Nobody is saying they won’t listen to women if they come forward but women can’t come forward and expect to be listened to without question


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I'm a private citizen who is allowed his opinion, and I knew from both Ford's testimony and Kavanaugh infantile reaction that she was telling the truth.







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so what i'm gathering from this is that rape is okay as long as you don't leave any evidence


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so what i'm gathering from this is that rape is okay as long as you don't leave any evidence

Yes obviously
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Also, false accusations aren't punished in the US. There's literally no consequences for ruining someone's life.
lying to the FBI isn’t a crime lmao perjury doesn’t exist

Lying to police don't got you locked up, stop watching csi lmao


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Just gunna step in to point out that the two people going ham in here aren't even American #notmyusa
Except I am American and live in LA, which is where I grew up.

Even if I was fucking Chinese, who gives a shit? How does that invalidate my points?

Russia decided Trump was a good candidate. Foreigners have no place in American politics.

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also I'm just joking around Chally
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There's an argument to be made about women being already untrusting of the system and potential punishment, regardless of how infrequently it's unjustified, could deter them from speaking up.

We need to tell women to step forward but step forward with evidence

I think this whole rape culture argument in America is just a big misunderstanding. Nobody is saying they won’t listen to women if they come forward but women can’t come forward and expect to be listened to without question

Sometimes there isn't evidence. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You have a very naive understanding of the situation. I would say less than 5% of the "Rape Culture" problem can be attributed to women needing to take more responsibility for reporting and tracking sexual harassment and assault. But that's kind of what the #MeToo movement is about.


 
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I'm a private citizen who is allowed his opinion, and I knew from both Ford's testimony and Kavanaugh infantile reaction that she was telling the truth.







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What are you trying to get at? The "I know" bit? I meant it as "I could tell."


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
I'm a private citizen who is allowed his opinion, and I knew from both Ford's testimony and Kavanaugh infantile reaction that she was telling the truth.







Quoting on mobile is trash.

What are you trying to get at? The "I know" bit? I meant it as "I could tell."

Still implies you know, which you don't. You have a strong feeling, which I share, but you don't know.

The problem with this entire situation is that the only people who know the truth have different stories. Someone is lying and it's not fair to point fingers at the person you suspect on a hunch.

Then again, I'm sure he doesn't care what either of us think.


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so what i'm gathering from this is that rape is okay as long as you don't leave any evidence

You can leave all the evidence you want verb, as long as it isn't serious physical trauma. How is she going to prove it wasn't consensual?


 
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I'm a private citizen who is allowed his opinion, and I knew from both Ford's testimony and Kavanaugh infantile reaction that she was telling the truth.







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What are you trying to get at? The "I know" bit? I meant it as "I could tell."

Still implies you know, which you don't. You have a strong feeling, which I share, but you don't know.

The problem with this entire situation is that the only people who know the truth have different stories. Someone is lying and it's not fair to point fingers at the person you suspect on a hunch.

Then again, I'm sure he doesn't care what either of us think.

I don't get your point. I'm not a judge, I'm a person who almost exclusives thinks on his instincts. It's similar to the OJ verdict where everyone knows he did it even though the courts proved him innocent. The "Court of Public Opinion," as it were. If I was a judge, even if I felt as I do, I would still want a full impartial investigation into the matter. Fuck, I still want that and I'm not a judge. I even admitted earlier that if he was proven innocent after a legitimate investigation I would accept those results and eat my words.


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I'm a private citizen who is allowed his opinion, and I knew from both Ford's testimony and Kavanaugh infantile reaction that she was telling the truth.







Quoting on mobile is trash.

What are you trying to get at? The "I know" bit? I meant it as "I could tell."

Still implies you know, which you don't. You have a strong feeling, which I share, but you don't know.

The problem with this entire situation is that the only people who know the truth have different stories. Someone is lying and it's not fair to point fingers at the person you suspect on a hunch.

Then again, I'm sure he doesn't care what either of us think.

I don't get your point. I'm not a judge, I'm a person who almost exclusives thinks on his instincts. It's similar to the OJ verdict where everyone knows he did it even though the courts proved him innocent. The "Court of Public Opinion," as it were. If I was a judge, even if I felt as I do, I would still want a full impartial investigation into the matter. Fuck, I still want that and I'm not a judge. I even admitted earlier that if he was proven innocent after a legitimate investigation I would accept those results and eat my words.

That's precisely what would happen though. There is no evidence of a crime that may or may not have happened forty years ago.

There is literally no way to prove what happened that night and eyewitness testimony from four decades ago is not going to convince an impartial governing body.

What exactly are you hoping the FBI will find?


 
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There is literally no way to prove what happened that night and eyewitness testimony from four decades ago is not going to convince an impartial governing body.

People get convicted of crimes all the time without that kind of evidence.

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What exactly are you hoping the FBI will find?

Something to force at least one more person to consider voting to deny Kavanaugh, truthfully. I just wanted to see an actual investigation like what we're seeing Mueller do.


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There is literally no way to prove what happened that night and eyewitness testimony from four decades ago is not going to convince an impartial governing body.

People get convicted of crimes all the time without that kind of evidence.

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What exactly are you hoping the FBI will find?

Something to force at least one more person to consider voting to deny Kavanaugh, truthfully. I just wanted to see an actual investigation like what we're seeing Mueller do.

Fair enough, i certainly didn't want him on the Supreme Court. The lifelong appointments seem kinda crazy to me tbh.


 
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InfoWars is convinced dr. Ford is a liar


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InfoWars is convinced dr. Ford is a liar

This is so low effort I'm starting to think you're a real person.


 
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He objectively lied about the Devil's Triangle, boofing, and pretty much every question Whitehouse asked him. Why are we supposed to believe him over Dr Ford?


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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No please go on. I'm curious how anyone who isn't blatantly shilling for Trump can defend this "person".


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It wasn't defending him, it was just more criticism of his opposition's tactics.

>Lies to the WH & Judiciary Committee
>Has multiple perjuries against him
>These are recorded and archived for everyone to see
>Instead his opponents decide to push a bogus story with no realistic credibility

If they really wanted Kavanaugh not to be confirmed, he handed his enemies the answer to his rejection on a silver platter and it was ignored.

No please go on. I'm curious how anyone who isn't blatantly shilling for Trump can defend this "person".


 
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1. You never brought that up with me.
2. I didn't continue with Eli cause he was clearly trolling (at least, I sincerely hope he is).

It’s funny how you keep bringing this shit up (which was already brought up against him and dismissed), yet you never directly respond to the points where he’s obviously lying about things in relation to his high school years and behavior towards Ford.
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