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Guilty until proven innocent amirite


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Do you think there’s enough evidence to be suspicious or even condemn him?
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Conservative heavy SC now that a bunch of civil rights cases for LGBTQ+ folks are likely going to be hitting the court in the coming years. Yeehaw.

This is probably the saddest part of this whole debacle and all anyone wants to talk about is Trump pardoning himself.


 
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Conservative heavy SC now that a bunch of civil rights cases for LGBTQ+ folks are likely going to be hitting the court in the coming years. Yeehaw.

This is probably the saddest part of this whole debacle and all anyone wants to talk about is Trump pardoning himself.
The point here being that this guy and his cronies are destroying the very foundations of American democracy, and if by some miracle the dems are successful in the midterms trump and co will get away with it too. No specific group is going to have the “saddest” outcome, it’s all bad.


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Conservative heavy SC now that a bunch of civil rights cases for LGBTQ+ folks are likely going to be hitting the court in the coming years. Yeehaw.

This is probably the saddest part of this whole debacle and all anyone wants to talk about is Trump pardoning himself.
The point here being that this guy and his cronies are destroying the very foundations of American democracy, and if by some miracle the dems are successful in the midterms trump and co will get away with it too. No specific group is going to have the “saddest” outcome, it’s all bad.

And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

Republicans could have crammed Kavanaugh through but they held the hearing, had the investigation, and had a vote

You can flatter Trump but he’s not stronger than two centuries of the most democratic form of government ever created


 
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And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

if someone who sexually assaulted me was up for a Supreme Court nomination simply because he was the only judge willing to pardon the president in the event of impeachment, you can bet your ass i'd come forward and try to inform people on just exactly the kind of person they're putting on the supreme court.

you can mock "guilty until proven innocent" or try to say this was all the Dems doing to try and ruin Kavanaugh's reputation all you want but Ford and the other victims were denied a proper investigation by the FBI. this entire trial was a complete farce.


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And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

if someone who sexually assaulted me was up for a Supreme Court nomination simply because he was the only judge willing to pardon the president in the event of impeachment, you can bet your ass i'd come forward and try to inform people on just exactly the kind of person they're putting on the supreme court.

you can mock "guilty until proven innocent" or try to say this was all the Dems doing to try and ruin Kavanaugh's reputation all you want but Ford and the other victims were denied a proper investigation by the FBI. this entire trial was a complete farce.

Let me ask you what was suppose to be found

DNA evidence?
A confession?
Video tapes?

Would you be satisfied with anything less than Kavanaugh’s arrest?


 
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Let me ask you what was suppose to be found

DNA evidence?
A confession?
Video tapes?

Would you be satisfied with anything less than Kavanaugh’s arrest?

I would be satisfied with due process. We convict people of crimes all the time without any of those 3 things you suggested.

I can confidently say that if they managed to have an actual investigation, and came up with only their dick in their hands as far as evidence, I would accept Kavanaugh's confirmation. I still do not think he would be well-suited for the job for a myriad of reasons (partisanship, temperament, professional career history) but he would at least be a reasonable choice as far as this administration goes.

No, instead what we got was a farce of an investigation, and the message to the women of America (who already get criticised when they don't come forward with sexual assault allegations) that they won't be listened to.
Last Edit: October 09, 2018, 01:36:47 PM by Eli


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Let me ask you what was suppose to be found

DNA evidence?
A confession?
Video tapes?

Would you be satisfied with anything less than Kavanaugh’s arrest?

I would be satisfied with due process. We convict people of crimes all the time without any of those 3 things you suggested.

I can confidently say that if they managed to have an actual investigation, and came up with only their dick in their hands as far as evidence, I would accept Kavanaugh's confirmation. I still do not think he would be well-suited for the job for a myriad of reasons (partisanship, temperament, professional career history) but he would at least be a reasonable choice as far as this administration goes.

No, instead what we got was a farce of an investigation, and the message to the women of America (who already get criticised when they don't come forward with sexual assault allegations) that they won't be listened to.

No

What we got was a woman who made a claim about something that happened decades ago in an unspecified place and unspecified time with no corroborative evidence. A claim she didn’t tell anybody until decades later. We literally have nothing but her word against his yet she’s more believable for some reason?

There is no case here


 
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What we got was a woman who made a claim about something that happened decades ago in an unspecified place and unspecified time with no corroborative evidence. A claim she didn’t tell anybody until decades later. We literally have nothing but her word against his yet she’s more believable for some reason?

Yes.

1. I know it must be hard to imagine what a life-threatening situation feels like from your parents' basement, but people don't accurately remember anything but a few major details. Their brains go into survival mode and throw away unimportant information.

2. Almost everyone, including Republicans, believe Ford was sexually assaulted. It's pretty obvious she was. The talking point of the Republicans is that she "misremembered" her attacker, which according psychologists simply isn't a thing. One psychologist said she could not remember a single case of a sexual assault victim misremembering a known attacker.

3. Many trials only have the word of the two parties to go off of. That's why we investigate. More women than Ford came through with testimonies, and Kavanaugh's college roommate even said that he was known for getting black-out drunk and aggressive, and although he had never seen it first hand himself, after talking without other contemporaries of the time, had heard some stories that absolutely fit the narrative.

I'm not advocating we simply believe all women without evidence. Hell, my brother-in-law and my brother were both accused of sexual assault/harassment (which in Canada, is an even bigger deal) where they were both clearly innocent, but that's why we have rule of law. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you that false accusations don't happen, because apparently about 40% of assault charges turn out to be false, but there needs to be consistent due process at all times because it IS a problem. But Republicans don't care about any of that, they care about giving Democrats the finger and staying in power.


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1. I know it must be hard to imagine what a life-threatening situation feels like from your parents' basement, but people don't accurately remember anything but a few major details. Their brains go into survival mode and throw away unimportant information.

Which is absolutely irrelevant. The unimportant information her brain threw turns out to be vital if you want to actually put together a timeline and gather alibis for both parties

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2. Almost everyone, including Republicans, believe Ford was sexually assaulted. It's pretty obvious she was. The talking point of the Republicans is that she "misremembered" her attacker, which according psychologists simply isn't a thing. One psychologist said she could not remember a single case of a sexual assault victim misremembering a known attacker.

Republicans are just virtue signaling. They're trying to grant her credibility so they don't get completely mauled by the left. I'll just say it straight, I think she's lying

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3. Many trials only have the word of the two parties to go off of. That's why we investigate. More women than Ford came through with testimonies, and Kavanaugh's college roommate even said that he was known for getting black-out drunk and aggressive, and although he had never seen it first hand himself, after talking without other contemporaries of the time, had heard some stories that absolutely fit the narrative.

All without collaborative evidence either. The strongest additional testimony was Ramirez and even that was shaky with her admitting there were holes in her memory and strong evidence that she was driven on by Democrats to come forward. For every allegation of Kavanaugh being a blackout drunk, there are an equal amount refuting them. Dan Murphy, another college roommate, has said that he has never seen Kavanaugh black out and that's he's always treated women with respect

But lets not forget the claim here is rape, not that he drank a lot. You cannot say the man raped a woman because he drank. It's a pathetic show to see you and every other democrat go from rape, to drinking, to he shouldn't be on the SC because he got mad when accused with rape.


 
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Conservative heavy SC now that a bunch of civil rights cases for LGBTQ+ folks are likely going to be hitting the court in the coming years. Yeehaw.

This is probably the saddest part of this whole debacle and all anyone wants to talk about is Trump pardoning himself.
The point here being that this guy and his cronies are destroying the very foundations of American democracy, and if by some miracle the dems are successful in the midterms trump and co will get away with it too. No specific group is going to have the “saddest” outcome, it’s all bad.

And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

Republicans could have crammed Kavanaugh through but they held the hearing, had the investigation, and had a vote

You can flatter Trump but he’s not stronger than two centuries of the most democratic form of government ever created
LOL Under immense pressure they held a sham of a hearing where they all basically delayed each other and most of all Kavanaugh. Or are you such a naive dimwit that Graham’s speech had you in tears, standing up with your hand on your heart pledging allegiance? Why didn’t trump nominate the many other candidates? Is it perhaps because Kavanaugh is the only one who’s going to back trump on pardoning himself?

And what agenda, exactly?


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Conservative heavy SC now that a bunch of civil rights cases for LGBTQ+ folks are likely going to be hitting the court in the coming years. Yeehaw.

This is probably the saddest part of this whole debacle and all anyone wants to talk about is Trump pardoning himself.
The point here being that this guy and his cronies are destroying the very foundations of American democracy, and if by some miracle the dems are successful in the midterms trump and co will get away with it too. No specific group is going to have the “saddest” outcome, it’s all bad.

And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

Republicans could have crammed Kavanaugh through but they held the hearing, had the investigation, and had a vote

You can flatter Trump but he’s not stronger than two centuries of the most democratic form of government ever created
LOL Under immense pressure they held a sham of a hearing where they all basically delayed each other and most of all Kavanaugh. Or are you such a naive dimwit that Graham’s speech had you in tears, standing up with your hand on your heart pledging allegiance? Why didn’t trump nominate the many other candidates? Is it perhaps because Kavanaugh is the only one who’s going to back trump on pardoning himself?

And what agenda, exactly?

Would you be happy with any of the other conservatives Trump had to choose from? Trump doesn't need Kavanaugh to defend him because in his mind, he's done nothing wrong

What Democrats want is to hold the seat open until November when they win a majority over Republicans and just block every single nomination Trump throws at them so they can continue to uphold Roe v Wade and leftist policies. If Kavanaugh gets in the way, then his life and career are necessary sacrifices


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And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

if someone who sexually assaulted me was up for a Supreme Court nomination simply because he was the only judge willing to pardon the president in the event of impeachment, you can bet your ass i'd come forward and try to inform people on just exactly the kind of person they're putting on the supreme court.

you can mock "guilty until proven innocent" or try to say this was all the Dems doing to try and ruin Kavanaugh's reputation all you want but Ford and the other victims were denied a proper investigation by the FBI. this entire trial was a complete farce.
Why wait 36 years?


 
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Conservative heavy SC now that a bunch of civil rights cases for LGBTQ+ folks are likely going to be hitting the court in the coming years. Yeehaw.

This is probably the saddest part of this whole debacle and all anyone wants to talk about is Trump pardoning himself.
The point here being that this guy and his cronies are destroying the very foundations of American democracy, and if by some miracle the dems are successful in the midterms trump and co will get away with it too. No specific group is going to have the “saddest” outcome, it’s all bad.

And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

Republicans could have crammed Kavanaugh through but they held the hearing, had the investigation, and had a vote

You can flatter Trump but he’s not stronger than two centuries of the most democratic form of government ever created
LOL Under immense pressure they held a sham of a hearing where they all basically delayed each other and most of all Kavanaugh. Or are you such a naive dimwit that Graham’s speech had you in tears, standing up with your hand on your heart pledging allegiance? Why didn’t trump nominate the many other candidates? Is it perhaps because Kavanaugh is the only one who’s going to back trump on pardoning himself?

And what agenda, exactly?

Would you be happy with any of the other conservatives Trump had to choose from? Trump doesn't need Kavanaugh to defend him because in his mind, he's done nothing wrong

What Democrats want is to hold the seat open until November when they win a majority over Republicans and just block every single nomination Trump throws at them so they can continue to uphold Roe v Wade and leftist policies. If Kavanaugh gets in the way, then his life and career are necessary sacrifices
Trump may be an idiot, but he’s under no illusion that he has committed several crimes. I wouldn't be happy with any conservative judge, but there’s a reason he’s obsessed with nominating Kavanaugh.

I honestly don’t know what to say to your second paragraph. If you’re this obsessed with making abortion illegal that you’re fine with this scumbag in the Supreme Court there’s something wrong with you. This guy is only in there to help trump.

Did you vote for trump? Are you a republican?


 
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Which is absolutely irrelevant. The unimportant information her brain threw turns out to be vital if you want to actually put together a timeline and gather alibis for both parties
How brain dead can you be? This is the same with kidnapping/mugging victims. You’re talking out of your ass if you think victims of violence are going to remember every detail.

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Republicans are just virtue signaling. They're trying to grant her credibility so they don't get completely mauled by the left. I'll just say it straight, I think she's lying
Based on what? She was the first to say she’d be fine with an FBI investigation. False accusations would have her going to prison. Again, what are you basing your bullshit on?


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Also, false accusations aren't punished in the US. There's literally no consequences for ruining someone's life.


 
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But lets not forget the claim here is rape, not that he drank a lot. You cannot say the man raped a woman because he drank. It's a pathetic show to see you and every other democrat go from rape, to drinking, to he shouldn't be on the SC because he got mad when accused with rape.

Virtually no one is saying this. The fact that he had been (and most likely still is) a black-out alcoholic is a witness to his character, and it's absolutely not a good thing.

I'm not going to indulge the rest of your post because you're very obviously a complete imbecile. I will say this pseudo-intellectual conservatism pushed by con-men like JBP, Ben Shapiro, and Watson have done irreversible damage to impressionable young people and we won't soon recover from it.

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Also, false accusations aren't punished in the US. There's literally no consequences for ruining someone's life.

That's a separate problem and I don't think you'll find one respectable, liberal person who would argue against equal punishment against false accusations.


 
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And it’s not destroying the foundations of American democracy to bring forward sexual assault allegations as a last second attempt to destroy a man who won’t forward your agenda

if someone who sexually assaulted me was up for a Supreme Court nomination simply because he was the only judge willing to pardon the president in the event of impeachment, you can bet your ass i'd come forward and try to inform people on just exactly the kind of person they're putting on the supreme court.

you can mock "guilty until proven innocent" or try to say this was all the Dems doing to try and ruin Kavanaugh's reputation all you want but Ford and the other victims were denied a proper investigation by the FBI. this entire trial was a complete farce.
Why wait 36 years?

I said it earlier: because he was up for a Supreme Court Judge nomination. I don't agree with liberals who say it has nothing to do with timing; it has absolutely everything to do with timing. If I was sexually assaulted and my assaulter was up for one of the most powerful, influential positions available in my country, you can bet your ass I would come forward with my story. There's nothing wrong with that, and it has nothing to do with the legitimacy of her claims.


 
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Did you vote for trump? Are you a republican?
pretty sure he's not even close to old enough


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Also, false accusations aren't punished in the US. There's literally no consequences for ruining someone's life.

That's a separate problem and I don't think you'll find one respectable, liberal person who would argue against equal punishment against false accusations.

More replying to Chally without going through the work of actually replying to him.

Equal punishment for false accusations is also a pretty sticky situation. If the police don't find any evidence of rape but nothing to directly refute it who gets punished? I'm sure less women will come forward with allegations if the threat of jail time is a possibility. For a crime that goes mostly unreported, having less women (or men) come forward is not an ideal outcome.


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But lets not forget the claim here is rape, not that he drank a lot. You cannot say the man raped a woman because he drank. It's a pathetic show to see you and every other democrat go from rape, to drinking, to he shouldn't be on the SC because he got mad when accused with rape.

Virtually no one is saying this. The fact that he had been (and most likely still is) a black-out alcoholic is a witness to his character, and it's absolutely not a good thing.

I'm not going to indulge the rest of your post because you're very obviously a complete imbecile. I will say this pseudo-intellectual conservatism pushed by con-men like JBP, Ben Shapiro, and Watson have done irreversible damage to impressionable young people and we won't soon recover from it.

This dude talking like he's 50.


 
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I bloody love bread pudding with caramel and ice cream

You absolute son of a bitch.


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Virtually no one is saying this. The fact that he had been (and most likely still is) a black-out alcoholic is a witness to his character, and it's absolutely not a good thing.

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I mean he clearly did it, but the main reason he should've been denied for the position was the way he handled the accusations.

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I'm not going to indulge the rest of your post because you're very obviously a complete imbecile. I will say this pseudo-intellectual conservatism pushed by con-men like JBP, Ben Shapiro, and Watson have done irreversible damage to impressionable young people and we won't soon recover from it.

Ok
Just don't pretend as if you didn't already have your mind made up about the guy and you were actually hoping for evidence to change your mind to be presented during the course of this thing. The way you talk about Kavanaugh being a rich white kid, I swear you're on one of those SJW compilations


 
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Just don't pretend as if you didn't already have your mind made up about the guy and you were actually hoping for evidence to change your mind to be presented during the course of this thing.

So in what way does what you quote equate to me saying, "He was an alcoholic, therefore he is a rapist."

I'm a private citizen who is allowed his opinion, and I knew from both Ford's testimony and Kavanaugh infantile reaction that she was telling the truth. I've been around the block enough times to know genuine sexual assault victims and guilty predators when I see them. This doesn't mean I don't support an impartial investigation into the matter. I've been wrong once or twice before, I could be again.

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The way you talk about Kavanaugh being a rich white kid, I swear you're on one of those SJW compilations



We can caricaturise each other until we're blue in the face, it doesn't get us anywhere.


 
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This dude talking like he's 50.

Someone has to be the adult here.