Black Students Benefit From A ‘Slower Track'

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http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/12/09/3730166/scalia-affirmative-action-slower-track/

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During oral arguments on a case that may eliminate race conscious affirmative action, Justice Antonin Scalia said that “most of the black scientists in this country do not come from the most advanced schools” and added that black students do better in a “slower track.”

Scalia also said students of color are being “pushed into schools that are too advanced for them” due to race conscious affirmative action policies.

Scalia was referring to an amicus brief filed in the Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin case, which involves a white woman who was denied admission to the university and claims that the college’s affirmative action policy is responsible. The specific brief in question was written by a conservative lawyer, Gail Heriot, who has previously argued against anti-discrimination policies in her position at the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

There's more in the article. First of all, it's unfair of ThinkProgress to attribute these quotes to Scalia, since he was quoting a brief of another attorney. It appears he was using them as an argument, but the citations used here seem very cherrypicked.

Anyway, the point isn't shit on Scalia but to discuss the legitimacy of his claims. Is actually racist to say that black students (or any marginalized group) often benefit from a less rigorous curriculum, affirmative action can result in poor performance?  The people calling this racist are also the same people who would be quick to point out that poor black students typically underperform.
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I know what he's trying to say, but he worded it completely wrong and it came off as condescending. I've seen people on here present why Affirmative Action isn't the best thing around in better words.


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I know what he's trying to say, but he worded it completely wrong and it came off as condescending. I've seen people on here present why Affirmative Action isn't the best thing around in better words.

It's two sentences from an entire discussion, and they weren't even his words.


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Jason Riley writing for WSJ ran a piece agreeing with Mr. Scalia and it's pretty good. Here are some excerpts (emphasis mine):
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We live in a political environment where the intent of a policy aimed at helping minorities is all that matters; questioning the policy’s actual effectiveness is tantamount to racism. Our national debates about racial preferences tend to focus on their legality, not whether they work as intended.
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An analysis of black students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the mid-1980s found that they had scored in the top 10% nationally on the math portion of the SAT but in the bottom 10% among their classmates at MIT. As a result, black students were dropping out at much higher rates, and those who didn’t leave typically received lower grades than their white and Asian classmates. Affirmative action had turned some of the smartest kids in the country into failures, in a misguided effort to obtain some predetermined racial mix on the quad.
He name-drops Serious board-favorite Thomas Sowell in his closing arguments, so I figured some of you might want to read it. Got a paywall trying to link it so I've reproduced it below:

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Bear in mind that, with this response, I am neither for or against affirmative action. I think that there are pros and cons to each side and hesitate to pick one to align myself with fully because I don't like making abject decisions on things that I am not really decided on.

That being said, I wanna say this just because I know this thread is gonna become a big talk on affirmative action in general so I wanna throw this out there just as a thought.

But a reminder that affirmative action policies and diversity quotas actually benefit white women more than any other racial or sexual statistic, especially in extremely high-level ivy league schools like Stanford, MIT, Rice, and so on.


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What's most frustrating is that ThinkProgress doesn't even attempt to refute the claim that black students placed into schools above their aptitude logically do worse than other students, they just shit on Scalia as a racist, especially with that awful clickbait title, "Black Students Don’t Need Affirmative Action Because They Benefit From A ‘Slower Track’ ", implying he's saying black people in general benefit from easier schools because they're stupid, which isn't at all what's being said.

The op-ed article hits the nail on the head by criticizing public figures for slandering Scalia as a racist rather than actually talking about what he's arguing [edit: and he's not even arguing anything, he was apparently asking one of the attorneys to qualify similar statements about the negative impact of affirmative action, so Scalia's being called a racist for asking, in court, for a lawyer to make an argument]. Frankly, the real racism here is preferentially placing black students and fucking up their professional education and development for the sake of a quota.
Last Edit: December 14, 2015, 01:39:18 PM by Have A Holly Jolly Turkey