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Hoover, the Republican President who sat by and let the collapse happen
Not true; Hoover was actually incredibly interventionist. They just failed; he even boasted in his memoirs that he did all he could while the chair of the Fed was telling him to liquidate everything (he didn't).


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Of the current candidates, his ideas are the least impractical. Everyone agrees America is broken. Our system pools resources in the hands of the very few, and those with the means have demonstrated that they do not have the general population's best interest at heart. Industrialists up until the early 80's counted themselves as Americans first. That isn't the case. Main St America has suffered because of this. Bernie may not have the ideal solutions, but at least he's going in the right direction.
lol

Nigga you need those "industrialists", their tax dollars actually fund shit.

And if they're not Americans first anymore, good luck keeping them around once the soaking starts.

They're not staying now. You seem to be living under the impression they aren't already shipping jobs overseas and dodging their taxes.
And you think the solution is to demand they stay while also making conditions less favorable than they already are?

Bending over for them hasn't really panned out. Simple idea: if you offshore your HQ to dodge taxes, and offshore your manufacturing, you have to pay a high tariff to import your goods into the US. At that point you aren't an American company anymore. Bring in jobs or tax revenue.


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Simple idea: if you offshore your HQ to dodge taxes, and offshore your manufacturing, you have to pay a high tariff to import your goods into the US. At that point you aren't an American company anymore. Bring in jobs or tax revenue.
Helpful hint: if you have a "simple idea" about economics it's probably wrong.

>corporation taxes are bad, and reduce the welfare of working individuals
>outsourcing really, really isn't an issue with the exception of short-run labour disruption
>there is consensus in economics on tariffs (including the two above, too, actually) and it's that they fucking suck. They just hurt the consumer


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Just the fact that he's been consistent on almost all of his views for the entire time that he's been a politician should show you a lot.


Not to mention that these are his top donors—


He's also pulled Hillary very far to the left just by running and being himself...


 
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Just the fact that he's been consistent on almost all of his views for the entire time that he's been a politician should show you a lot.
What about being consistently shit is admirable?


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Just the fact that he's been consistent on almost all of his views for the entire time that he's been a politician should show you a lot.
What about being consistently shit is admirable?

The quality of his views are debatable, but you can't deny that his views are genuine and don't just change with what's popular at the time...


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Simple idea: if you offshore your HQ to dodge taxes, and offshore your manufacturing, you have to pay a high tariff to import your goods into the US. At that point you aren't an American company anymore. Bring in jobs or tax revenue.
Helpful hint: if you have a "simple idea" about economics it's probably wrong.

>corporation taxes are bad, and reduce the welfare of working individuals
>outsourcing really, really isn't an issue with the exception of short-run labour disruption
>there is consensus in economics on tariffs (including the two above, too, actually) and it's that they fucking suck. They just hurt the consumer

The consumer can only afford the goods if they have a job that pays a living wage. And the tariffs only come into play if they offshore the jobs and taxes.


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Just the fact that he's been consistent on almost all of his views for the entire time that he's been a politician should show you a lot.
What about being consistently shit is admirable?
Aside from his economic policies you so vehemently oppose, what other policies of his are "constantly shit"?


 
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The consumer can only afford the goods if they have a job that pays a living wage.
What even is the living wage in the US? It's probably above the federal min-wage equilibrium (definitely so if the living wage is around Sanders' $15/hr. Which is why you have welfare.

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And the tariffs only come into play if they offshore the jobs and taxes.
Again, neither of these things are actually bad. If you argument is that people temporarily lose jobs, then why not mandate banks must fund all failing companies with either zero or very low interest? Outsourcing is not a bad phenomenon; it helps US labour become more productive in the long-run, and helps the poorest in the world by giving them access to superior jobs.


 
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Aside from his economic policies you so vehemently oppose, what other policies of his are "constantly shit"?
His economic policies are essentially the focus of his platform. . . There isn't much else to take notice of, maybe with the exception of essentially legislating feminism. But, again, that's effectively an economic policy.

I also know he supports Israel, which I'm on-board with, but I'm not sure about the rest of his foreign policy.
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Just the fact that he's been consistent on almost all of his views for the entire time that he's been a politician should show you a lot.
What about being consistently shit is admirable?
Aside from his economic policies you so vehemently oppose, what other policies of his are "constantly shit"?

Well past his economic policies, he is the exact same as every other Democratic candidate.


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