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So, apparently I'm wrong for thinking that the Senator from Vermont is an unelectable candidate, that his ideas are far too liberal for a normally conservative nation to accept, all that jazz that been thrown around in every thread.

So, Sanders supporters, convince me. Give me his ideas and how he can have a chance to win this election cycle. Don't just go "He's not Clinton" - give me a reason to believe that.



 
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All a thread like this communicates is that you already have the notion set in your head, and that trying to convince you would be pointless. You may as well have just said, "Bernie will never win; prove me wrong," which would have been a Flood-tier post.

Personally, I'm not concerned about whether he has a chance to win--basing your vote on the most popular candidate is tautologically self-defeating.
Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 10:40:57 AM by Verbatim


 
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All a thread like this communicates is that you already have the notion set in your head, and that trying to convince you would be pointless. You may as well have just said, "Bernie will never win; prove me wrong," which would have been a Flood-tier post.

I'm perfectly willing to vote for Sanders, which is the difference. My problem with him and his supporters is that they constantly shout out their big dreams, but I have yet to see or hear any plans outside of "tax the rich!" to get them done.

Curious to see if there are plans out there, since I could not find any.


 
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Curious to see if there are plans out there, since I could not find any.
There aren't; financing the deficits of things like SS simply cannot be done by increased taxes on the richest in society. There isn't enough potential revenue there, especially given the unintended consequences which will likely ensue. Let's be honest, it isn't all that surprising. Sanders is all rhetoric; he likes to go on about Sweden and their wonderful model of social democracy, despite the fact that--unlike his rhetorical flourishes would have you believe--they don't soak the rich.


 
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Curious to see if there are plans out there, since I could not find any.
There aren't; financing the deficits of things like SS simply cannot be done by increased taxes on the richest in society. There isn't enough potential revenue there, especially given the unintended consequences which will likely ensue. Let's be honest, it isn't all that surprising. Sanders is all rhetoric; he likes to go on about Sweden and their wonderful model of social democracy, despite the fact that--unlike his rhetorical flourishes would have you believe--they don't soak the rich.

Aside from raising taxes on the rich, and on Wall Street, has he stated anyways he would raise revenue?


 
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Aside from raising taxes on the rich, and on Wall Street, has he stated anyways he would raise revenue?
Not sure if he's mentioned it explicitly, but I wouldn't rule out corporation and capital gains increases.


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Of the current candidates, his ideas are the least impractical. Everyone agrees America is broken. Our system pools resources in the hands of the very few, and those with the means have demonstrated that they do not have the general population's best interest at heart. Industrialists up until the early 80's counted themselves as Americans first. That isn't the case. Main St America has suffered because of this. Bernie may not have the ideal solutions, but at least he's going in the right direction.


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We can't elect a liberal left wing president

It's never happened before

FDR didn't exist


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We can't elect a liberal left wing president

It's never happened before

FDR didn't exist

We were also in the throughs of the worst global economic crisis.

Conditions now are not nearly as bad as then.


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We can't elect a liberal left wing president

It's never happened before

FDR didn't exist

We were also in the throughs of the worst global economic crisis.

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We can't elect a liberal left wing president

It's never happened before

FDR didn't exist

We were also in the throughs of the worst global economic crisis.

Conditions now are not nearly as bad as then.
FDR didn't cause the Great Depression

It was already going on before he took office. After FDR was elected our economy went up.


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We can't elect a liberal left wing president

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We were also in the throughs of the worst global economic crisis.

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FDR didn't cause the Great Depression

It was already going on before he took office. After FDR was elected our economy went up.
im pretty sure he meant that our poor economic conditions were the reason we were willing to elect someone like FDR, not that FDR caused them.


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FDR didn't cause the Great Depression

Never said he did - however, with our economy in a pile of shit, Americans would elect anyone who wasn't Hoover, the Republican President who sat by and let the collapse happen

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After FDR was elected our economy went up.

Thanks, not to his policies, but World War 2


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We can't elect a liberal left wing president

It's never happened before

FDR didn't exist

We were also in the throughs of the worst global economic crisis.

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FDR didn't cause the Great Depression

Never said he did - however, with our economy in a pile of shit, Americans would elect anyone who wasn't Hoover, the Republican President who sat by and let the collapse happen

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Thanks, not to his policies, but World War 2


looks like it went up to me from 1933 to 1939


 
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Yeah, cite the source that the graph came from, if you will.

I'm on mobile, not going through all those sources to find it


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Yeah, cite the source that the graph came from, if you will.

I'm on mobile, not going through all those sources to find it
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=1&isuri=1


 
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Yeah, cite the source that the graph came from, if you will.

I'm on mobile, not going through all those sources to find it
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=1&isuri=1

Will did through the site and charts in a bit, assuming meta doesn't come in here


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Of the current candidates, his ideas are the least impractical. Everyone agrees America is broken. Our system pools resources in the hands of the very few, and those with the means have demonstrated that they do not have the general population's best interest at heart. Industrialists up until the early 80's counted themselves as Americans first. That isn't the case. Main St America has suffered because of this. Bernie may not have the ideal solutions, but at least he's going in the right direction.
lol

Nigga you need those "industrialists", their tax dollars actually fund shit.

And if they're not Americans first anymore, good luck keeping them around once the soaking starts.

They're not staying now. You seem to be living under the impression they aren't already shipping jobs overseas and dodging their taxes.


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FDR didn't cause the Great Depression
So? No American president can really be said to have caused a recession, except perhaps Reagan.

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It was already going on before he took office. After FDR was elected our economy went up.
You know when it was going up the most? After FDR took the dollar off the gold standard. That was his best move, but he should've left it there. The adoption of NIRA in '33 fucked up a nascent recovery and--when it was rendered unconstitutional in '35--the economy bounced back again. But then, FDR cut spending as the Fed tightened and the economy went back down.


 
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