Bernie Sanders has more than halved the gap with Hillary Clinton in the early-voting state of Iowa, according to a new poll which shows the leftwing insurgent building on his recent record-breaking public appearances with growing support among key Democratic voters.

An estimated 10,000 supporters filled an arena in Madison, Wisconsin, on Wednesday night to hear the Vermont senator call for “revolution” in American politics as he challenges Clinton for the party’s nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

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Sanders told the crowd: “Tonight we have made a little bit of history. Tonight we have more people at any meeting for a candidate of president of the United States than any other candidate.”

Though still seen as a long-shot candidate when compared with the former secretary of state and establishment favourite Clinton, the momentum behind Sanders’ uncompromising progressive message is also beginning to show in opinion polling.

The latest survey in Iowa, carried out by Quinnipiac University, shows him trailing her by 33 to 52 percentage points among likely Democratic participants in the state caucuses on 1 February.

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This compares with Clinton’s 60-15 point lead, more than twice as large, in the last Quinnipiac poll on 7 May and the latest CNN poll from the other key early-voting state of New Hampshire showing Clinton only eight points ahead of Sanders.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/02/bernie-sanders-poll-surge-hillary-clinton

YEAH BERNIE,  FUCK THAT BITCH UP

Clinton > Sanders.

And I hate Clinton.

Good. Bernie is the best hope we have for this country.

How?

I get that he fits with your priors, but the more I read about the more the guy just comes across as a straight-up populist. He's appointed a Post-Keynesian as an economic advisor, despite the fact he says this:

And yes, those folks and large corporations will have to pay under a Sanders administration more in taxes so that we can use that revenue to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, create the jobs we need, make sure that every kid who has the ability is able to get a college education in America because public colleges and public universities will be tuition-free," he said.

So he's obviously not listening to his advisor. And then he says shit like this:

Asked about the type of people who would make up his cabinet, Sanders ticked off the names of three liberal economists: New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize-winner Joseph Stiglitz and former Bill Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich.

So he obviously has no understanding of the people he'd like, despite the fact it'd take you like five minutes to discover that such a mix wouldn't work. The guy is a straight-up pop politician with no credibility.

Not sure why you think you're so in tune with what America needs when you don't even live here.

I was gonna question him about that in the other thread, too, but then I figured that most people in America don't even know what America needs, so... I'd wager that Meta's probably more in-tune with American politics than most Americans are.

Quote from: Mad Max on July 06, 2015, 03:08:18 PM

Not sure why you think you're so in tune with what America needs when you don't even live here.

Sweet.

I'll be watching out for anything you say about Israel, Palestine, Iraq, Syria, China, Russia, the Ukraine or any other country for that matter.

But I'm fairly sure even you know that the fact you aren't geographically located in a country doesn't put you at some kind of disadvantage, and instead you're just trying to defend your political candidate on some narrow, shallow and ill-thought-out basis.

Well good luck, because you wont find me talking about things I don't know about.

Reading about a country and its going-ons is different than living it.

Character-wise, I'd much rather have Sanders elected over Clinton. He's got very little leadership experience, but Clinton has none. And the president isn't as powerful in moving legislation through Congress as we make it out to be, so he can't really do a vast amount of damage. Being a consistent voter, as opposed to someone like Obama who has flipped on a laundry list of major points, we'll know what we're getting which is better than the obscenely corrupt political machine of the Clintons.

And the best part is that he'll be easy to beat. Yeah he's got an impressively obnoxious viral advertising campaign going on, but he'll get torn to shreds when those ads actually matter for something.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 07, 2015, 06:37:31 PM

Character-wise, I'd much rather have Sanders elected over Clinton. He's got very little leadership experience, but Clinton has none. And the president isn't as powerful in moving legislation through Congress as we make it out to be, so he can't really do a vast amount of damage. Being a consistent voter, as opposed to someone like Obama who has flipped on a laundry list of major points, we'll know what we're getting which is better than the obscenely corrupt political machine of the Clintons.

And the best part is that he'll be easy to beat. Yeah he's got an impressively obnoxious viral advertising campaign going on, but he'll get torn to shreds when those ads actually matter for something.

I belive Bernie actually balanced out a city's budget when he was elected as Mayor, so I'd say that's a plus. Yeah Nation>City, but having knowledge of economics helps.

His knowledge of economics literally boils down to raising taxes on every entity making more than an arbitrary amount he's come up with in his head.

>literally who

Aren't all tax brackets arbitrary?

Depends how you want to define arbitrary. Bren probably means that Sanders has a number in his head without rhyme or reason; in which case no, no all tax brackets are arbitrary. Tax brackets ought to be judged on the economic effects they cause.

Remember the Paulbots?

Same shit different election cycle.

Quote from: memecube han on July 09, 2015, 04:45:01 PM

Remember the Paulbots?

Same shit different election cycle.

Ron Paul had some pretty absurd, unattainable ideas. Most of which dealing with abolishing government agencies and shit.

I'm mostly referring to the hype involved. . .

Quote from: memecube han on July 09, 2015, 04:49:23 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 04:46:35 PM

Quote from: memecube han on July 09, 2015, 04:45:01 PM

Remember the Paulbots?

Same shit different election cycle.

Ron Paul had some pretty absurd, unattainable ideas. Most of which dealing with abolishing government agencies and shit.

I'm mostly referring to the hype involved. . .

Lots of hype, but for different reasons, I'd say.

well if I claimed to know I'd be lying to you.

Or thinking college is unaffordable?

Umm...it is. Even cheap schools are drastically more expensive than they were 10 years ago, while wages for min wage and entry level jobs remain mostly the same. college is not an affordable choice for most young people coming out of high school.

Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 04:46:35 PM

Ron Paul had some pretty absurd, unattainable ideas.

Like a $1 million investment in infrastructure?

Or a $15 minimum wage?

Or buying into the wage gap myth?

Or opposing free trade?

Or thinking college is unaffordable?

Or thinking banks should be broken up?

Or wanting a single-payer system?

Yeah, he's leagues ahead of Paul.

OK a lot of those seem pretty crazy

His growth will begin to slow within the next 3-5 months.

By January, this'll be but a dream.

That's a damn shame because there aren't any other democrat candidates I'd consider voting for. Might have to go Green in this one.