bad = wrong

"I'm going to twist the definitions of the words you're using in my favor, because I'm incapable of being honest."

Bad = anything I want it to be. In this case, bad = stupid.

Stupid = any activity that harms you.

It is kind of pussy-ish to need to drink to be social.

Like, making up for your bad people skills with alcohol is pretty dumb and says something about your capacity to talk to others.

Quote from: Kupoop on January 19, 2016, 05:09:47 PM

Or you know, a misunderstanding, but you assume everyone must think the same way you do or else they're wrong.

But instead of understanding that, lol another straw man

And instead of defending alcohol consumption, lol another shitpost devoid of anything called an "argument"

You can't demonstrate that drinking alcohol isn't stupid--so I'm going to assume that you're wrong.

Also, learn what the fuck a straw man is, kid. You obviously don't know what it means.

You misrepresented my argument, so I called you out on it. You still can't prove that drinking alchohol is stupid aside from your personal feelings on the matter. There's nothing more to be said, child.

It is kind of pussy-ish to need to drink to be social.

Nobody really does this though except alcoholics, which is universally vilified. People drink socially because it gives you something to do with your friends, and at the same time makes most people more cheerful, relaxed, and open to new experiences. It provides basically the same function as any other shared activity, like a meal, a sport, a movie, etc. To ridicule people for drinking socially is essentially making the argument that socialization is best done devoid of any outside stimuli that could possibly affect your interactions with people. It's inane.

You still can't prove that drinking alchohol is stupid aside from your personal feelings on the matter.

Except I have. And you've yet to respond as to why I'm wrong.

Quote from: Connor on January 19, 2016, 05:14:39 PM

It is kind of pussy-ish to need to drink to be social.

Nobody really does this though except alcoholics, which is universally vilified. People drink socially because it gives you something to do with your friends, and at the same time makes most people more cheerful, relaxed, and open to new experiences. It provides basically the same function as any other shared activity, like a meal, a sport, a movie, etc. To ridicule people for drinking socially is essentially making the argument that socialization is best done devoid of any outside stimuli that could possibly affect your interactions with people. It's inane.

I don't really think it's as black and white as "Only alcoholics do it, everyone else is just trying to relax." Someone should have the capacity to be cheerful, relaxed, and open to new experiences in the absence of alcohol, so I'd argue that someone capable of accomplishing those things is more socially adept than somebody who needs to have at least a buzz going to be exploratory.

I also don't think it's fair to compare alcohol consumption to sports, a meal, or any other activity you use to socialize. None of those things impair your ability to think rationally and be yourself, they just direct attention towards something that everyone has a shared focus on. Alcohol is functionally different.

Again, I'm not a super anti-alcoholic guy -Certainly not on Verb's level, I just don't enjoy it and much prefer accomplishing tasks without being hammered. I've been drunk within the past three weeks at parties, I just usually regret doing it because I end up waking up the next morning feeling gross.

Fuck self-pleasure, fuck happiness--productivity is all that matters. Fuck happiness.

Why'd you go on such a big kick about consent being the foundation for fun if you're just going to say fun is harmful and meaningless?

Then why do you play video games?

Because they're fun. But they're still a waste of time.

The difference between you and me is that I'm smart, and I'm capable of stepping back and thinking to myself, "Wow, I'm just completely owned by my psychology, and everything I do on this planet is shit."

More importantly, why are you being unproductive as fuck (and unhappy) arguing on the Internet?

Arguing the virtues of being productive is productive.

Quote from: Cadenza on January 19, 2016, 05:01:31 PM

Because you've assumed that everybody who reads that question will answer as though they were verbatim

No. I've assumed that everybody who reads those questions will be rational people.

Because the correct question to be asking is: Why wouldn't any of those things I listed be an issue for me?

That's the implication, and that's the question I'm asking YOU people. Why the fuck wouldn't it be an issue for me?

You're questions were of the form:
"Why would _____ be a problem for Verbatim?"
Well Verbatim, I don't know how Verbatim thinks because i'm not Verbatim, so when Verbatim asks me what Verbatim is thinking, I can't give Verbatim an answer; maybe Verbatim knows the answer, but Verbatim refuses to say what Verbatim is thinking.

Do you see the problem yet?

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If you're drinking alone then that's probably true, but drinking with friends/in a social situation has social benefits

If you need those social benefits, that's a problem.

You shouldn't need those social benefits. You should be social without alcohol.

Nobody said need, I'm claiming that such benefits to alcohol exist, you're claiming they don't.

Quote from: Connor on January 19, 2016, 05:29:29 PM

Quote from: Septy on January 19, 2016, 05:20:55 PM

Quote from: Connor on January 19, 2016, 05:14:39 PM

It is kind of pussy-ish to need to drink to be social.

Like, making up for your bad people skills with alcohol is pretty dumb and says something about your capacity to talk to people.

Since alcohol makes you incoherent I doubt there's anyone that uses it to talk to people. That's like getting high to try and understand calculus.

It's not even close. People get buzzed so they're more relaxed and can talk to people. That's a fact.

Then that person is an alcoholic.

So if some guy goes to a party every like two or three weeks and drinks some beer so he can relax and feel more comfortable, he's an alcoholic?

Quote from: Septy on January 19, 2016, 05:31:12 PM

Quote from: Connor on January 19, 2016, 05:29:29 PM

Quote from: Septy on January 19, 2016, 05:20:55 PM

Quote from: Connor on January 19, 2016, 05:14:39 PM

It is kind of pussy-ish to need to drink to be social.

Like, making up for your bad people skills with alcohol is pretty dumb and says something about your capacity to talk to people.

Since alcohol makes you incoherent I doubt there's anyone that uses it to talk to people. That's like getting high to try and understand calculus.

It's not even close. People get buzzed so they're more relaxed and can talk to people. That's a fact.

Then that person is an alcoholic.

So if some guy goes to a party every like two or three weeks and drinks some beer so he can relax and feel more comfortable, he's an alcoholic?

You said there are people that need to be buzzed in order to talk to people. Therefore that person would probably be buzzed most of the time. That person is an alcoholic.

Do you see the problem yet?

No, because you should be able to argue to me why I should think a certain way.

That's how arguments work.

If you don't care how I feel about alcohol or people who consume alcohol, why are you engaging with me?

Nobody said need, I'm claiming that such benefits to alcohol exist, you're claiming they don't.

No, I never claimed that. I'm claiming that it doesn't matter. All "benefits" of alcohol are superfluous and unneeded.

If you don't need it, you shouldn't do it. That's the philosophy.

So why are you a hypocrite?

Because I'm a human being. I can't escape the human condition unless I kill myself, which I'm not going to do.

Just stop playing games. Stop doing anything that makes you happy.

I should. And I really want to. But I probably won't.

But I should.

Do you know what "addiction" is?

You're not going to change anybody's mind

Says you.

Quote from: Turkey Sanders on January 19, 2016, 05:38:29 PM

You recognize that fun is a necessity for survival -- a psychological mechanism to allow our body to reduce stress, recover, and socialize (and I mean that in a broad anthropological sense, not just 'talking') -- and yet you continue to say it's wrong for some reason. I know you're not one to back down especially after being coaxed throughout this entire thread, but I think you can still make a strong, cogent argument for the detrimental effects of alcohol while dropping the point that fun is wrong.

I don't think I ever said that fun was wrong. All I said was that it's stupid. If I said it was "wrong," then I rescind.

You tend to use those words interchangeably.