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The trouble is, Dawkins tends to be a real hit and miss guy.'It's immoral not to abort all downs syndrome children' comes to mind.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 09:13:10 PMThe trouble is, Dawkins tends to be a real hit and miss guy.'It's immoral not to abort all downs syndrome children' comes to mind.I actually agree with this sentiment.If abortions are legalized, is there a more justified case than when the potential offspring could have a life-ruining disability?
Quote from: RustingFloor on September 22, 2014, 09:37:26 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 09:13:10 PMThe trouble is, Dawkins tends to be a real hit and miss guy.'It's immoral not to abort all downs syndrome children' comes to mind.I actually agree with this sentiment.If abortions are legalized, is there a more justified case than when the potential offspring could have a life-ruining disability?Perhaps, I can certainly see the argument for it. I just don't really agree with it, people with Downs don't have a life ruining disability, even some of the worst disabilities don't necessarily ruin people's lives. I can see the argument for things where the child is likely to die painfully and unpleasantly within a few years of their birth but I think it's wrong to assume that because people aren't born 100% healthy that their lives will be a miserable and bleak existence.I know it gets said endlessly when this topic of discussion comes up, but people with Downs are some of the happiest and loving people on the planet. You compare that with the sort of person who would deny them a chance at life because of how they are... I don't think that it's really alright to abort people because of a disability.To clarify though, that doesn't mean I oppose abortion with some blanket view, for some families it's the only option and demonising them for it is sickening. But yeah, I don't think that it is moral to abort people because they aren't going to be born fully able.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 09:48:25 PMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 22, 2014, 09:37:26 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 09:13:10 PMThe trouble is, Dawkins tends to be a real hit and miss guy.'It's immoral not to abort all downs syndrome children' comes to mind.I actually agree with this sentiment.If abortions are legalized, is there a more justified case than when the potential offspring could have a life-ruining disability?Perhaps, I can certainly see the argument for it. I just don't really agree with it, people with Downs don't have a life ruining disability, even some of the worst disabilities don't necessarily ruin people's lives. I can see the argument for things where the child is likely to die painfully and unpleasantly within a few years of their birth but I think it's wrong to assume that because people aren't born 100% healthy that their lives will be a miserable and bleak existence.I know it gets said endlessly when this topic of discussion comes up, but people with Downs are some of the happiest and loving people on the planet. You compare that with the sort of person who would deny them a chance at life because of how they are... I don't think that it's really alright to abort people because of a disability.To clarify though, that doesn't mean I oppose abortion with some blanket view, for some families it's the only option and demonising them for it is sickening. But yeah, I don't think that it is moral to abort people because they aren't going to be born fully able.You're still thinking about it on the premise that what can be aborted is a person.It isn't.
How exactly does this have anything to do with feminism? There really aren't that many pseudo-feminists with the agenda to eliminate women from the responsibility to legally intoxicate. In fact I wouldn't even classify that as pseudo-feminism more than it is just nutty. I mean it literally mentions no where that this is female exclusive, so how are you even attempting to make that connection and expecting people to go along with it?
What's wrong with Richard Dawkings other than the fact he's a horrible scientific communicator?
You're still thinking about it on the premise that what can be aborted is a person.It isn't.
Maybe I'm just dumb but I don't understand what the joke is.
Quote from: RustingFloor on September 22, 2014, 10:31:41 PMYou're still thinking about it on the premise that what can be aborted is a person.It isn't.Yes, it is. Life begins at conception.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 23, 2014, 11:45:27 AMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 22, 2014, 10:31:41 PMYou're still thinking about it on the premise that what can be aborted is a person.It isn't.Yes, it is. Life begins at conception.Life begins before conception. Gamete cells are alive.