'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.
how much federal effort could this possibly take
The composition of the drafted force is irrelevant to the question of whether there should be a draft to begin with.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 10:38:45 PMThe composition of the drafted force is irrelevant to the question of whether there should be a draft to begin with.Which is exactly my point. . . We should stop expending political capital on issues which are comparatively irrelevant.
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 13, 2015, 10:39:52 PMQuote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 10:38:45 PMThe composition of the drafted force is irrelevant to the question of whether there should be a draft to begin with.Which is exactly my point. . . We should stop expending political capital on issues which are comparatively irrelevant.Eh, it's a huge moral problem from my point of view to make the draft exclusive to men. If we're not getting rid of the draft, making it more reasonable is no sin.
The point being it isn't reasonable when you actually take the costs of implementation into account for such an insignificant "victory".
Quote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:20:00 PM'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.More like, "The draft is a problem, so we should take away one of the things that makes it a problem."
Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:37:19 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:20:00 PM'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.More like, "The draft is a problem, so we should take away one of the things that makes it a problem."I'm pretty sure the problem with the draft is that you're having the government pull king and send the peasants out to die for the crown.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 10:52:50 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:37:19 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:20:00 PM'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.More like, "The draft is a problem, so we should take away one of the things that makes it a problem."I'm pretty sure the problem with the draft is that you're having the government pull king and send the peasants out to die for the crown.No shit.>one of the things
Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:55:56 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 10:52:50 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:37:19 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:20:00 PM'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.More like, "The draft is a problem, so we should take away one of the things that makes it a problem."I'm pretty sure the problem with the draft is that you're having the government pull king and send the peasants out to die for the crown.No shit.>one of the thingsExcept the thing you're arguing for is like complaining one of the bricks in the Berlin Wall doesn't look pretty.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:37:19 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:20:00 PM'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.More like, "The draft is a problem, so we should take away one of the things that makes it a problem."Not really. If mandatory sign-ups are part of the problem, the solution is fewer sign-ups, not more.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 10:58:23 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:55:56 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 10:52:50 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:37:19 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:20:00 PM'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.More like, "The draft is a problem, so we should take away one of the things that makes it a problem."I'm pretty sure the problem with the draft is that you're having the government pull king and send the peasants out to die for the crown.No shit.>one of the thingsExcept the thing you're arguing for is like complaining one of the bricks in the Berlin Wall doesn't look pretty.Disgusting exaggeration.
People die because of the draft and you're advocating for a prettier, more equal variety of dead people.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:10:21 PMPeople die because of the draft and you're advocating for a prettier, more equal variety of dead people.Blatant strawman.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 11:12:07 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:10:21 PMPeople die because of the draft and you're advocating for a prettier, more equal variety of dead people.Blatant strawman.That's the purpose of the draft, if you want equality in the draft the result is an equality of dead people that didn't consent to their fate. Please explain how I'm wrong.
Hopefully this will get congress to actually do away with the draft.The military doesn't even want it in place so it doesn't even serve the institution it was implemented to.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:14:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 11:12:07 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:10:21 PMPeople die because of the draft and you're advocating for a prettier, more equal variety of dead people.Blatant strawman.That's the purpose of the draft, if you want equality in the draft the result is an equality of dead people that didn't consent to their fate. Please explain how I'm wrong.Giving birth results in an equality of dead people that didn't consent to their fate. Are you an anti-natalist now?
Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 11:16:14 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:14:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 11:12:07 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:10:21 PMPeople die because of the draft and you're advocating for a prettier, more equal variety of dead people.Blatant strawman.That's the purpose of the draft, if you want equality in the draft the result is an equality of dead people that didn't consent to their fate. Please explain how I'm wrong.Giving birth results in an equality of dead people that didn't consent to their fate. Are you an anti-natalist now?This does not answer my question.
Quote from: LC on October 13, 2015, 11:15:00 PMHopefully this will get congress to actually do away with the draft.The military doesn't even want it in place so it doesn't even serve the institution it was implemented to.Liberal as I am, I'm all for compulsory military service for everyone at 18.I believe the rich and powerful would be less likely to wage war if their kids could be sent
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:17:34 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 11:16:14 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:14:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 11:12:07 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:10:21 PMPeople die because of the draft and you're advocating for a prettier, more equal variety of dead people.Blatant strawman.That's the purpose of the draft, if you want equality in the draft the result is an equality of dead people that didn't consent to their fate. Please explain how I'm wrong.Giving birth results in an equality of dead people that didn't consent to their fate. Are you an anti-natalist now?This does not answer my question.Hypocrite.Anyway, I don't have to answer loaded questions. No, I don't want people to die.By your logic, what you're saying is that men should die first. Because reasons.It's better to impose the draft on men, because reasons.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 13, 2015, 11:16:45 PMQuote from: LC on October 13, 2015, 11:15:00 PMHopefully this will get congress to actually do away with the draft.The military doesn't even want it in place so it doesn't even serve the institution it was implemented to.Liberal as I am, I'm all for compulsory military service for everyone at 18.I believe the rich and powerful would be less likely to wage war if their kids could be sentCharlie plsEven when their kids could be drafted they just made sure they'd be put in non-combat roles, in places that wouldn't see any fighting, or in positions where they wouldn't be in any danger.
I'm saying get rid of it rather than reorganizing how people die first. Sorry about having priorities.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 13, 2015, 11:21:35 PMI'm saying get rid of it rather than reorganizing how people die first. Sorry about having priorities.No one is reorganizing how people die. Getting drafted does not ensure your death--it ensures that you will be enlisted into the military. Nothing more.That's terrible, and I also think it should be abolished entirely.But that doesn't mean we should discriminate against men, because of archaic patriarchal reasons.
Quote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 11:00:39 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:37:19 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:20:00 PM'The draft is a problem, but we should make more people sign up for it in the meantime' is absurd. It's literally contributing to the problem.More like, "The draft is a problem, so we should take away one of the things that makes it a problem."Not really. If mandatory sign-ups are part of the problem, the solution is fewer sign-ups, not more.Duh. But that's not gonna happen any time soon. Making the system indiscriminate based on gender is a step up--there's no other way to look at it. Abolishing it would be an even bigger step up, but obviously, that's gonna take awhile.