Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 27, 2015, 01:24:41 PM

I don't like to bring it up here because few have shown any understanding of the topic.

It astounds me how many people equate WMDs with "nukes". Hussein categorically did have WMDs, and we have found some.

It's frustrating, more than anything else. Thank God for Christopher Hitchens.

Lol the video

"Ahhhh it's mustard gas!"

Quote from: challengerX on March 27, 2015, 04:04:29 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 26, 2015, 06:48:34 PM

according to you, we're all already killing babies by not having them, so

I said forcing people to not have babies is genocide, not whatever the fuck it is you're saying.

If it has specific intent, yes.

I still don't agree. If nobody is being killed, it's not genocide.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 27, 2015, 05:30:14 PM

Quote from: Flee on March 27, 2015, 05:28:34 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 27, 2015, 04:04:29 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 26, 2015, 06:48:34 PM

according to you, we're all already killing babies by not having them, so

I said forcing people to not have babies is genocide, not whatever the fuck it is you're saying.

If it has specific intent, yes.

I still don't agree. If nobody is being killed, it's not genocide.

Well, the core idea behind genocide is the intention to completely destroy a group, whether national, racial, religious or ethnical. If you forcibly stop said group from reproducing and furthering their lineage, you are effectively ending destroying it by the next generation.

I can understand why you say that, but there is a general and international legal consensus on this.

Verbatim's position is wholly voluntary.

Yes

thank you for completely ignoring my point

as i pointed out, "kill" in english can be used in various contexts as well

it can mean to end something's life
and it can also mean to end something in general

but using it in the second sense sounds REALLY fucking awkward
and most people don't use it unless they're saying something like "kill the lights"

you don't say "i killed my book last night"

And for the record, I know that anti-natalism doesn't count as genocide.

you realize you just backtracked, then?

Fair enough. You are welcome to disagree, it won't change a thing.

yes, i know it won't change the fact that they're retards--i know this

Question though. What if a government would round up all members of a certain group (jews, gypsies, blacks...) and put them in prison, keeping them completely isolated from one another, with the specific and vocalized intent of ending this race / ehtnical group. They don't actually kill anyone, but they just keep them locked up and force them into labor and separation. A few decades down the line, the last member of this group will have died, and thereby this race / ethnical group seizes to exist because of what the government did to them. What would you consider this?

Ethnic cleansing.

Genocide involves murder. PERIOD.