Differences exists, but not to the point of what Sly was quoting; it's irrelevant because all three are believers in God/Allah/Yahweh, not non-believers
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 09:48:27 AMQuote from: Sly Instinct on December 08, 2014, 09:39:58 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 07, 2014, 09:05:36 PMQuote from: D4C on December 07, 2014, 08:17:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PMsomething something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).It's almost like extremists shouldn't be considered examples of any religion or group.They shouldn't; jihadists and far-righters alike. They both pervert the Word for their own dark, twisted ideas and for Satan himselfSpoilerQuran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." What sparked the Barbary wars^Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful"So perverted, I don't see how jihadists can justify their actions.k, you realize Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God, correct?Okay? They obviously don't hold the same beliefs.
Quote from: Sly Instinct on December 08, 2014, 09:39:58 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 07, 2014, 09:05:36 PMQuote from: D4C on December 07, 2014, 08:17:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PMsomething something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).It's almost like extremists shouldn't be considered examples of any religion or group.They shouldn't; jihadists and far-righters alike. They both pervert the Word for their own dark, twisted ideas and for Satan himselfSpoilerQuran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." What sparked the Barbary wars^Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful"So perverted, I don't see how jihadists can justify their actions.k, you realize Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God, correct?
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 07, 2014, 09:05:36 PMQuote from: D4C on December 07, 2014, 08:17:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PMsomething something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).It's almost like extremists shouldn't be considered examples of any religion or group.They shouldn't; jihadists and far-righters alike. They both pervert the Word for their own dark, twisted ideas and for Satan himselfSpoilerQuran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." What sparked the Barbary wars^Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful"So perverted, I don't see how jihadists can justify their actions.
Quote from: D4C on December 07, 2014, 08:17:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PMsomething something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).It's almost like extremists shouldn't be considered examples of any religion or group.They shouldn't; jihadists and far-righters alike. They both pervert the Word for their own dark, twisted ideas and for Satan himself
Quote from: KinderEssen on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PMsomething something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).It's almost like extremists shouldn't be considered examples of any religion or group.
something something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).
Quote from: Sly Instinct on December 08, 2014, 10:03:58 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 09:48:27 AMQuote from: Sly Instinct on December 08, 2014, 09:39:58 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 07, 2014, 09:05:36 PMQuote from: D4C on December 07, 2014, 08:17:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PMsomething something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).It's almost like extremists shouldn't be considered examples of any religion or group.They shouldn't; jihadists and far-righters alike. They both pervert the Word for their own dark, twisted ideas and for Satan himselfSpoilerQuran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." What sparked the Barbary wars^Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful"So perverted, I don't see how jihadists can justify their actions.k, you realize Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God, correct?Okay? They obviously don't hold the same beliefs.No, but they share enough to be grouped together and to not be considered entirely different
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 10:24:59 AMDifferences exists, but not to the point of what Sly was quoting; it's irrelevant because all three are believers in God/Allah/Yahweh, not non-believersI still disagree. There certainly have the same start-point of Abraham. However, that doesn't mean they're the same God. Taking Christians, they literally believe Jesus Christ was God, while Muslims and Jews don't. This seems, to me, to be quite a big discrepancy. With that in mind, I don't see how you can reasonably claim that the God of Christianity is ontologically identical to that of Islam or Judaism.
We believe Jesus is the Messiah.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 10:28:07 AMQuote from: Sly Instinct on December 08, 2014, 10:03:58 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 09:48:27 AMQuote from: Sly Instinct on December 08, 2014, 09:39:58 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 07, 2014, 09:05:36 PMQuote from: D4C on December 07, 2014, 08:17:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PMsomething something quran"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).It's almost like extremists shouldn't be considered examples of any religion or group.They shouldn't; jihadists and far-righters alike. They both pervert the Word for their own dark, twisted ideas and for Satan himselfSpoilerQuran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." What sparked the Barbary wars^Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful"So perverted, I don't see how jihadists can justify their actions.k, you realize Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God, correct?Okay? They obviously don't hold the same beliefs.No, but they share enough to be grouped together and to not be considered entirely differentBy who, you? Muslims and Jews don't believe in Jesus or that he was divine, which is a big difference.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 10:31:32 AMWe believe Jesus is the Messiah.Who also happens to be God.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 08, 2014, 10:32:30 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 10:31:32 AMWe believe Jesus is the Messiah.Who also happens to be God.Yes, Jesus is God in human form. The issue Isn't the denying of God, it's the denial of Jews that this individual claims to be God/Messiah
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 10:35:44 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 08, 2014, 10:32:30 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 10:31:32 AMWe believe Jesus is the Messiah.Who also happens to be God.Yes, Jesus is God in human form. The issue Isn't the denying of God, it's the denial of Jews that this individual claims to be God/MessiahWhich is exactly my point. Their god is ontologically and metaphysically distinct from your God. It's essentially the difference between Christians and Hindus - just far less removed.
Roughly an hour from where I live. There's a few underground mosques here.
Are you Muslim? Do you live in Kennesaw, Georgia?
