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Disturbed has to be trolling, right?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
well, no.. the thing is capitalism is dangerous in the fact that it can sustain itself for roughly 200 years before turning ugly. it builds infrastructure but also sets the bomb to destroy it
All you're doing is spouting cryptic nonsense that doesn't challenge what I'm saying or even make much sense.

What does sustain itself for 200 years before "turning ugly" even mean?


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Disturbed has to be trolling, right?

oh wtf, having differing opinions doesn't equate to trolling


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well, no.. the thing is capitalism is dangerous in the fact that it can sustain itself for roughly 200 years before turning ugly. it builds infrastructure but also sets the bomb to destroy it
All you're doing is spouting cryptic nonsense that doesn't challenge what I'm saying or even make much sense.

What does sustain itself for 200 years before "turning ugly" even mean?

it means that capitalism encourages corruption. and its basically humanely impossible to have pure capitalism due to human nature itself.

the system should just be scrapped if its not realistic


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
well, no.. the thing is capitalism is dangerous in the fact that it can sustain itself for roughly 200 years before turning ugly. it builds infrastructure but also sets the bomb to destroy it
All you're doing is spouting cryptic nonsense that doesn't challenge what I'm saying or even make much sense.

What does sustain itself for 200 years before "turning ugly" even mean?

it means that capitalism encourages corruption. and its basically humanely impossible to have pure capitalism due to human nature itself.

the system should just be scrapped if its not realistic
Except it doesn't because, as I already said, most of the most capitalist countries on the planet are largely free of corruption. I bet you can't even name on instance of genuine corruption that has plunged a capitalist economy into decay.

So the system which has given 1pc of human history 99pc of its wealth is unrealistic, whereas your ideal of a classless society is realistic? Give me a break.


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Disturbed has to be trolling, right?
Pretty sure this thread attracted the attention of the government and they made a couple of accounts to disuade us from becoming socialists.

lol, i obviously don't approve of the current gov


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well, no.. the thing is capitalism is dangerous in the fact that it can sustain itself for roughly 200 years before turning ugly. it builds infrastructure but also sets the bomb to destroy it
All you're doing is spouting cryptic nonsense that doesn't challenge what I'm saying or even make much sense.

What does sustain itself for 200 years before "turning ugly" even mean?

it means that capitalism encourages corruption. and its basically humanely impossible to have pure capitalism due to human nature itself.

the system should just be scrapped if its not realistic
Except it doesn't because, as I already said, most of the most capitalist countries on the planet are largely free of corruption. I bet you can't even name on instance of genuine corruption that has plunged a capitalist economy into decay.

So the system which has given 1pc of human history 99pc of its wealth is unrealistic, whereas your ideal of a classless society is realistic? Give me a break.

what? most of the capitalist countries are the embodiment of corruption. its gotten to the point where social values are effected. the fact that one percent of the population hold 99 percent of the wealth is corruption in itself. its not different from a monarchy. which is a step back in my opinion


 
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most of the capitalist countries are the embodiment of corruption.
I'm not going to take you seriously if you insist upon making broad and unsubstantiated claims like that.

So I'll put forward my challenge again: name me one instance of genuine corruption resulting from a genuinely capitalist economy that has caused a society-wide downturn.


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You amuse me. Capitalism creates corruption? So for that matter communism doesn't? Obviously you took the wrong pill when offered and didn't go down the rabbit hole.

Humans create corruption. It is human nature. Humans always have and always will want more. They will always want bigger, newer, shinier things. They will always want the things that others have that they don't. It is natural NEED for resources. It is always there.

Capitalism just answers to that natural calling.

Show me a non-capitalist country that is not corrupt. That wealth and greed is not rampant. As even the poorest of countries the wealthy still set themselves aside from the poor and do as they please.

Don't blame capitalism for the world's problems. Look at yourself. Right there is the heart of all said problems.


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most of the capitalist countries are the embodiment of corruption.
I'm not going to take you seriously if you insist upon making broad and unsubstantiated claims like that.

So I'll put forward my challenge again: name me one instance of genuine corruption resulting from a genuinely capitalist economy that has caused a society-wide downturn.

I can't because genuine capitalism has never occurred


 
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I can't because genuine capitalism has never occurred
Okay, broadly capitalist.

I think we can safely define a fair few nations as sufficiently capitalist to warrant judgement; otherwise what the fuck is your criticism even based on?

So, go ahead. Broadly or typically capitalist countries that have had significant socio-economic problems because of capitalism?


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I can't because genuine capitalism has never occurred
Okay, broadly capitalist.

I think we can safely define a fair few nations as sufficiently capitalist to warrant judgement; otherwise what the fuck is your criticism even based on?

So, go ahead. Broadly or typically capitalist countries that have had significant socio-economic problems because of capitalism?

alright, here is a chart of corruption for 2010



almost all of the countries in red have had capitalist platforms introduced or are poor.

and the socialist countries like france and canada are less corrupt than the capitalist ones


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I can't because genuine capitalism has never occurred
Okay, broadly capitalist.

I think we can safely define a fair few nations as sufficiently capitalist to warrant judgement; otherwise what the fuck is your criticism even based on?

So, go ahead. Broadly or typically capitalist countries that have had significant socio-economic problems because of capitalism?

alright, here is a chart of corruption for 2010



almost all of the countries in red have had capitalist platforms introduced or are poor.

and the socialist countries like france and canada are less corrupt than the capitalist ones

oh my fuck.....


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I can't because genuine capitalism has never occurred
Okay, broadly capitalist.

I think we can safely define a fair few nations as sufficiently capitalist to warrant judgement; otherwise what the fuck is your criticism even based on?

So, go ahead. Broadly or typically capitalist countries that have had significant socio-economic problems because of capitalism?

alright, here is a chart of corruption for 2010



almost all of the countries in red have had capitalist platforms introduced or are poor.

and the socialist countries like france and canada are less corrupt than the capitalist ones

oh my fuck.....

no need to get angry, just my opinion


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
socialist countries like france and canada


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oh my fuck.....
This guy is so obviously pretending to be stupid. Meta is only replying because he likes to win arguments, not because he actually has anything intelligent to bring up.

I respect government agents, I really do, but I can fucking tell who they are just by the way they try to manipulate people.

the thing that amazes me is that I've met people who are just as stubborn and mentally delayed as this guy IRL

for the sake of my sanity i hope it's not real 


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socialist countries like france and canada


like you haven't been doing that this whole time

if people would just actively listen conversations would go alot smoother 


 
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if people would just actively listen
I've been doing that this entire time but when you come out with shit like Canada and France being socialist it's difficult to keep the effort up.

Canada and France are not socialist. And your graph quite nicely displays a clear correlation between private, economic freedom and a lack of corruption and the development of wealth. When I said 'broadly capitalist', I didn't mean every country under the Sun which at some point had a nominally capitalist government; I assumed you had the nous to grasp that.

Now, we can debate the extent to which certain countries are truly capitalist, but you still have all your work still ahead of you to explain the resilience of Australia, the success of Hong Kong and Estonia, the successful market reforms of China and countless other examples of capitalism working. But what your graph didn't do is answer my question, which was to do with you giving me a single instance in which capitalism has induced serious economic hardship within a country.

Answer that question.
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socialist countries like france and canada


like you haven't been doing that this whole time

if people would just actively listen conversations would go alot smoother

if you would just actively use more than your brain stem to formulate discussion people would


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I've been doing that this entire time but when you come out with shit like Canada and France being socialist it's difficult to keep the effort up.

Canada and France are not socialist. And your graph quite nicely displays a clear correlation between private, economic freedom and a lack of corruption and the development of wealth. When I said 'broadly capitalist', I didn't mean every country under the Sun which at some point had a nominally capitalist government; I assumed you had the nous to grasp that.

Now, we can debate the extent to which certain countries are truly capitalist, but you still have all your work still ahead of you to explain the resilience of Australia, the success of Hong Kong and Estonia, the successful market reforms of China and countless other examples of capitalism working. But what your graph didn't do is answer my question, which was to do with you giving me a single instance in which capitalism has induced serious economic hardship within a country.

Answer that question.

capitalism is fundamentally flawed, you'll see in the next 80 years that these countries will go down hill.

your not supposed to find corruption so i cant answer your question to be honest


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socialist countries like france and canada


like you haven't been doing that this whole time

if people would just actively listen conversations would go alot smoother

if you would just actively use more than your brain stem to formulate discussion people would

i can't have 5 discussions at once i'm not trying to bother anyone here so stop


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
capitalism is fundamentally flawed, you'll see in the next 80 years that these countries will go down hill.
Oh my God, the fear-mongering here is unbelievable. No, if something is fundamentally flawed, you'll see evidence of that. You'll be able to detail to me just why and how capitalist countries will begin to go downhill and you'll be able to point to analyses and statistics which say: "Look, we can see the beginning of this downtrend caused by fundamental issues within the capitalist structure itself".

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your not supposed to find corruption so i cant answer your question to be honest
What the hell does "you're* not supposed to find corruption" mean? I'm asking about economic downturns and hardships--or any other form of significant lack of fortune--induced by capitalism. I'm giving you a much wider scope. Name me a specific crisis, hardship, downturn, problem or shit event caused by capitalism.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
i can't have 5 discussions at once
I can.

We aren't going to go easy on you because you can't handle it. That isn't how debates work, and you should be ready and willing to properly defend the ideas and values you espouse, especially when they're so radical and ahistorical.
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the thing that amazes me is that I've met people who are just as stubborn and mentally delayed as this guy IRL

for the sake of my sanity i hope it's not real
Yeah but stupid people are easily manipulable, so it's extremely odd that some idiot would have become a communist despite the heavy anti-communist rhetoric in the United States. Not that there aren't idiots who do become anarchists or communists, but generally they're not so dumb that can't rely on some form of logic (even if its broken and applied as chunks rather than one cohesive sentiment) and they'll usually be able to write in proper English. But this user just screams "look at how uneducated I am and how I support this radical idea". If the guy behind the account isn't a schemer or some sort, it's one hell of a coincidence.

on the same token, a lot of tards tend to go against the grain and shitty internet research follows....

you are probably right though, he's been designed to grind capitalist gears 


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the thing that amazes me is that I've met people who are just as stubborn and mentally delayed as this guy IRL

for the sake of my sanity i hope it's not real
Yeah but stupid people are easily manipulable, so it's extremely odd that some idiot would have become a communist despite the heavy anti-communist rhetoric in the United States. Not that there aren't idiots who do become anarchists or communists, but generally they're not so dumb that can't rely on some form of logic (even if its broken and applied as chunks rather than one cohesive sentiment) and they'll usually be able to write in proper English. But this user just screams "look at how uneducated I am and how I support this radical idea". If the guy behind the account isn't a schemer or some sort, it's one hell of a coincidence.

i'm not some case study, i really don't care if you think i'm fake anyway. i'm just trying to have a discussion 


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i can't have 5 discussions at once
I can.

We aren't going to go easy on you because you can't handle it. That isn't how debates work, and you should be ready and willing to properly defend the ideas and values you espouse, especially when they're so radical and ahistorical.

i'm not trying to defend anything, i haven't given my personal view on a better alternative yet anyway, all i'm saying is that the current system is way to harsh to be sustained for as long as we want it