I'm glad Michele Obama didn't wear a headscarf in Saudi Arabia

 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
And Maher, who I normally hate, says it best:

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BILL MAHER: Speaking of business. The president went on a customer service call this week to India. And then he cut short that trip, which I thought was kind of strange, to go to Saudi Arabia. Usually it's not the president who deals with funerals, that's what we have Biden for. But he went to Saudi Arabia to shake hands with, I mean, to meet with the guys who wouldn't shake hands with his wife. And I thought when she wouldn't wear the headscarf that she was kind of making the kind of statement that I've been trying to get across here for a long time. Which is stop respecting their medieval bullshit under the guise of it's their culture. Right?

Cultural relativism is nonsense. It's the 21st century. You won't shake hands with a woman? You're the ones who should be embarrassed, and if that's judgmental, good. I'm judging, yes. I'm judging that that's fucked up. And that you're the bigots. I'm not the bigot. You're the bigot.


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I wonder what the reaction from the Saudis will be if Hillary is elected.
Well shit, there goes any talking with the middle east...


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Cultural relativism is nonsense. It's the 21st century.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment, but if cultural relativism is nonsense, then you can't condemn a behavior of a culture by what another culture is doing at a certain period in time.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
you can't condemn a behavior of a culture by what another culture is doing at a certain period in time.
I'm either having a cognitive malfunction, or that sentence makes no sense.


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you can't condemn a behavior of a culture by what another culture is doing at a certain period in time.
I'm either having a cognitive malfunction, or that sentence makes no sense.

If he believes in moral objectivism, then he shouldn't qualify the statement with "it's the 21st century". That's like saying, "it's the 21st century, slavery isn't okay anymore". By using that qualifier, he's saying that, since culture has now progressed to this point, it's wrong to treat women badly. That's cultural relativism, and as he says, it's nonsense.

I really dislike Maher so I enjoy picking apart what he says, as petty and semantic as it may be.
Last Edit: January 31, 2015, 09:54:52 AM by HurtfulTurkey


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If he believes in moral objectivism, then he shouldn't qualify the statement with "it's the 21st century". That's like saying, "it's the 21st century, slavery isn't okay anymore". By using that qualifier, he's saying that, since culture has now progressed to this point, it's wrong to treat women badly. That's cultural relativism, and as he says, it's nonsense.

I really dislike Maher so I enjoy picking apart what he says, as petty and semantic as it may be.
I think his point is more to do with knowing at this point in history that it's wrong to do that. It's morally wrong at whatever time in history, but the fact that its degree of immorality can be affected by our capacity to understand its wrongness doesn't negate it's objective wrongness.

For instance, claiming water is not two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen is essentially a "more wrong" thing to say nowadays than it would be in the 12th Century, yet both instances the claim is absolutely factually incorrect.
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uh, i thought that was the standard way of doing it. i dont get all the fuss.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
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I feel like I should point out I'm glad she didn't capitulate to our idiots. It is mostly people in the West criticising her for it.


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Can't say it better than that.
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BILL MAHER:
Cultural relativism is nonsense. It's the 21st century. You won't shake hands with a woman? You're the ones who should be embarrassed, and if that's judgmental, good. I'm judging, yes. I'm judging that that's fucked up. And that you're the bigots. I'm not the bigot. You're the bigot.