Are there any circumstances where freedom of speech should be limited?

 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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I'm torn on the issue.


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Absolutely not and anyone who thinks there are should kill his or herself.

What about harassment? Do you not think that a person who is constantly harassing someone should be penalised if their actions are known or reasonably ought to be known to be unwanted?


 
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Is this a definitive list?


 
 
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Is this a definitive list?
I'd say it's pretty good.


 
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Of course. There's numerous instances where it should be limited.

Care to name a few and elaborate on why?


 
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What would be needed to make it perfect?


 
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There are other reasons why a government would proscribe freedom of speech: namely sedition, seditious libel, obscenity etc but I don't agree with them.

There are some I'm on the fence about, like public order and public nuisance.


 
 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
fighting words
Fighting words are when somebody goads you into being physically violent, right?

Surely the person actually being physically violent should be the one held to account.


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Yeah, when liberals are talking.


 
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Yeah, when liberals are talking.


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Yeah, when liberals are talking.
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Yeah, when liberals are talking.
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Isn't incitement to violence a slippery slope, for example, criticizing a person or their belief?


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
—Judge Aaron Satie
——Carmen
I draw a heavy line between freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Should you be able to scream "bomb" on an airplane? Of course not. But you should be able to hold any opinion, no matter how ludicrous, and be free to tell others about it without any persecution. Protecting that is what's most important.


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Only in matters of privacy and contract. However, incase of contract there should be exceptions if  it was revealed a the contractor was breaking the law for instance.


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No. Threatening somebody is punishable.


 
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I draw a heavy line between freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Should you be able to scream "bomb" on an airplane? Of course not. But you should be able to hold any opinion, no matter how ludicrous, and be free to tell others about it without any persecution. Protecting that is what's most important.

What if that opinion could be construed as harassment?


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Isn't incitement to violence a slippery slope, for example, criticizing a person or their belief?
Noto v. United States, 367 U. S. 290, 367 U. S. 297-298 (1961),
"the mere abstract teaching . . . of the moral propriety or even moral necessity for a resort to force and violence is not the same as preparing a group for violent action and steeling it to such action."

Herndon v. Lowry, 301 U. S. 242, 301 U. S. 259-261 (1937); Bond v. Floyd, 385 U. S. 116, 385 U. S. 134 (1966).
"A statute which fails to draw this distinction impermissibly intrudes upon the freedoms guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments. It sweeps within its condemnation speech which our Constitution has immunized from governmental control."

Bradenburg v. Ohio, 395 U. S. 444 (1969),
"Since the statute, by its words and as applied, purports to punish mere advocacy and to forbid, on pain of criminal punishment, assembly with others merely to advocate the described type of action, it falls within the condemnation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

tl;dr No, incitement to violence is not a slippery slope. It's very clearly defined to defend constitutional freedoms from overreaching forces.
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