If you don't think of Satan as an overwhelming spirit, and you aren't afraid, then it's obvious that you feel the same for your God. You don't really buy into it.

For one to exist, the other must exist as well, but many don't think of Satan, but rather that God is the one who does the punishing, and the decision making. They don't believe in that Satan is the one that lures people into drinking alcohol, and that is not acceptable if you believe in God a lot.

You must believe in both sides if you truly buy into it. Go ahead and be a phony, but I'm just telling you to stop tricking yourself.

I've always thought how is Satan such a bad being if all he does is punish bad people?

He leads people to bad things.

Faith is a very personal thing, you can't really dictate what others must believe in for their religion to be legit. Just because the bible says both exist doesn't mean that you must believe in both to consider yourself to be a Christian.

That being said, I am an atheist, I'm not pushing for religion here. I'm just saying that it's up to every person to define their faith themselves.   

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:33:21 AM

Faith is a very personal thing, you can't really dictate what others must believe in for their religion to be legit. Just because the bible says both exist doesn't mean that you must believe in both to consider yourself to be a Christian.

That being said, I am an atheist, I'm not pushing for religion here. I'm just saying that it's up to every person to define their faith themselves.

I would type a lot, but i am liimited to onev hand. Yoy're an idiot.

I could claim that you must believe in pink flying elephants to be a Christian, but that doesn't make it true.

Religion is personal. It's not all or nothing, black and white. You don't have to believe in the entire bible to be "legit".

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:52:07 AM

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 07:46:13 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:33:21 AM

Faith is a very personal thing, you can't really dictate what others must believe in for their religion to be legit. Just because the bible says both exist doesn't mean that you must believe in both to consider yourself to be a Christian.

That being said, I am an atheist, I'm not pushing for religion here. I'm just saying that it's up to every person to define their faith themselves.

I would type a lot, but i am liimited to onev hand. Yoy're an idiot.

I could claim that you must believe in pink flying elephants to be a Christian, but that doesn't make it true.

Religion is personal. It's not all or nothing, black and white. You don't have to believe in the entire bible to be "legit".

That's like saying that you don't need an outlet for electricity, because electricity is energy, and you can generate your own energy by moving.

No, it's like saying you need to live out in the woods and live off the land to save electricity, and that turning off the light when you exit a room and saving a little bit doesn't count, and that you either have to use a ton of electricity all the time or nothing at all.

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 07:54:21 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:52:07 AM

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 07:46:13 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:33:21 AM

Faith is a very personal thing, you can't really dictate what others must believe in for their religion to be legit. Just because the bible says both exist doesn't mean that you must believe in both to consider yourself to be a Christian.

That being said, I am an atheist, I'm not pushing for religion here. I'm just saying that it's up to every person to define their faith themselves.

I would type a lot, but i am liimited to onev hand. Yoy're an idiot.

I could claim that you must believe in pink flying elephants to be a Christian, but that doesn't make it true.

Religion is personal. It's not all or nothing, black and white. You don't have to believe in the entire bible to be "legit".

That's like saying that you don't need an outlet for electricity, because electricity is energy, and you can generate your own energy by moving.

No, it's like saying you need to live out in the woods and live off the land to save electricity, and that turning off the light when you exit a room and saving a little bit doesn't count, and that you either have to use a ton of electricity all the time or nothing at all.

I found the perfect one for it.

It's like saying that if you're truly someone who wants to consume as little energy as possible, you shouldn't even use any at all. The best way to save energy, is by not using it.

You're not environmental friendly if you use a little electricity, because you're still hurting the environment.

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 08:27:25 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:57:11 AM

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 07:54:21 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:52:07 AM

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 07:46:13 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:33:21 AM

Faith is a very personal thing, you can't really dictate what others must believe in for their religion to be legit. Just because the bible says both exist doesn't mean that you must believe in both to consider yourself to be a Christian.

That being said, I am an atheist, I'm not pushing for religion here. I'm just saying that it's up to every person to define their faith themselves.

I would type a lot, but i am liimited to onev hand. Yoy're an idiot.

I could claim that you must believe in pink flying elephants to be a Christian, but that doesn't make it true.

Religion is personal. It's not all or nothing, black and white. You don't have to believe in the entire bible to be "legit".

That's like saying that you don't need an outlet for electricity, because electricity is energy, and you can generate your own energy by moving.

No, it's like saying you need to live out in the woods and live off the land to save electricity, and that turning off the light when you exit a room and saving a little bit doesn't count, and that you either have to use a ton of electricity all the time or nothing at all.

I found the perfect one for it.

It's like saying that if you're truly someone who wants to consume as little energy as possible, you shouldn't even use any at all. The best way to save energy, is by not using it.

You're not environmental friendly if you use a little electricity, because you're still hurting the environment.

That's true for religion if you want to be a fundamentalist.

Most religious people aren't, and on top of that, it's up to them to decide if they want to be.

I get it. I just don't agree with it.

Someone can proclaim them self to be god, but I'm not going to be okay with that and say "you're allowed to be whatever you want".

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 08:30:12 AM

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 08:27:25 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:57:11 AM

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 07:54:21 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:52:07 AM

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 12, 2014, 07:46:13 AM

Quote from: True Velox on October 12, 2014, 07:33:21 AM

Faith is a very personal thing, you can't really dictate what others must believe in for their religion to be legit. Just because the bible says both exist doesn't mean that you must believe in both to consider yourself to be a Christian.

That being said, I am an atheist, I'm not pushing for religion here. I'm just saying that it's up to every person to define their faith themselves.

I would type a lot, but i am liimited to onev hand. Yoy're an idiot.

I could claim that you must believe in pink flying elephants to be a Christian, but that doesn't make it true.

Religion is personal. It's not all or nothing, black and white. You don't have to believe in the entire bible to be "legit".

That's like saying that you don't need an outlet for electricity, because electricity is energy, and you can generate your own energy by moving.

No, it's like saying you need to live out in the woods and live off the land to save electricity, and that turning off the light when you exit a room and saving a little bit doesn't count, and that you either have to use a ton of electricity all the time or nothing at all.

I found the perfect one for it.

It's like saying that if you're truly someone who wants to consume as little energy as possible, you shouldn't even use any at all. The best way to save energy, is by not using it.

You're not environmental friendly if you use a little electricity, because you're still hurting the environment.

That's true for religion if you want to be a fundamentalist.

Most religious people aren't, and on top of that, it's up to them to decide if they want to be.

I get it. I just don't agree with it.

Someone can proclaim them self to be god, but I'm not going to be okay with that and say "you're allowed to be whatever you want".

That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about how much of a religion a person believes in for it to be considered actual belief, as you put it in the OP, that they "buy into it".

Obviously someone can't claim to be god without backing that up by showing their powers.

They can, however, believe in certain parts of a religion, and not all of it, and still be considered part of that religious movement.

I've always thought how is Satan such a bad being if all he does is punish bad people?

Why would a bad person punish bad people?

Guess I'm a Phony.
Whats good?

Quote from: Kinder Skellington on October 12, 2014, 12:13:27 PM

Quote from: Camnator on October 12, 2014, 06:45:47 AM

I've always thought how is Satan such a bad being if all he does is punish bad people?

Why would a bad person punish bad people?

Out of spite.
God's chosen people, were given the freedom that Lucifer fought for. While Lucifer was punished for fighting for it.

How could Lucifer fight for freedom if it wasn't given to him like it was to us? That twisted logic. And also, we had to fight for our freedoms (We had to fight off Tyranny). Are we any different than Lucifer then?

Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Kinder Skellington on October 12, 2014, 12:13:27 PM

Quote from: Camnator on October 12, 2014, 06:45:47 AM

I've always thought how is Satan such a bad being if all he does is punish bad people?

Why would a bad person punish bad people?

Out of spite.
God's chosen people, were given the freedom that Lucifer fought for. While Lucifer was punished for fighting for it.

How could Lucifer fight for freedom if it wasn't given to him like it was to us? That twisted logic. And also, we had to fight for our freedoms (We had to fight off Tyranny). Are we any different than Lucifer then?

We're given the choice to serve god. The angels weren't.

Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 02:46:09 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on October 12, 2014, 02:39:43 PM

Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Kinder Skellington on October 12, 2014, 12:13:27 PM

Quote from: Camnator on October 12, 2014, 06:45:47 AM

I've always thought how is Satan such a bad being if all he does is punish bad people?

Why would a bad person punish bad people?

Out of spite.
God's chosen people, were given the freedom that Lucifer fought for. While Lucifer was punished for fighting for it.

How could Lucifer fight for freedom if it wasn't given to him like it was to us? That twisted logic. And also, we had to fight for our freedoms (We had to fight off Tyranny). Are we any different than Lucifer then?

We're given the choice to serve god. The angels weren't.

Serve God or burn.. geese.. those are fair options. What if I want to be a ghost that can manipulate the physical realm and travel the Universe at fast, ghostly speeds? Where's that option!?

It's still a choice.

For one to exist, the other must exist as well

In Abrahamic religions, Satan and every other angel was created by God, so their existence obviously isn't contingent on one another.

I'm not sure I understand the point of your post.

Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 03:11:50 PM

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Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 02:46:09 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on October 12, 2014, 02:39:43 PM

Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Kinder Skellington on October 12, 2014, 12:13:27 PM

Quote from: Camnator on October 12, 2014, 06:45:47 AM

I've always thought how is Satan such a bad being if all he does is punish bad people?

Why would a bad person punish bad people?

Out of spite.
God's chosen people, were given the freedom that Lucifer fought for. While Lucifer was punished for fighting for it.

How could Lucifer fight for freedom if it wasn't given to him like it was to us? That twisted logic. And also, we had to fight for our freedoms (We had to fight off Tyranny). Are we any different than Lucifer then?

We're given the choice to serve god. The angels weren't.

Serve God or burn.. geese.. those are fair options. What if I want to be a ghost that can manipulate the physical realm and travel the Universe at fast, ghostly speeds? Where's that option!?

It's still a choice.

What if choose my secret option 3, can't I have that?

How should I know?