Also, people can value whatever they want. I would imagine most people value personal gain over their work. You work to live not live to work.

People are scumfuck pieces of shit who deserve to die, then. All of them.

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Quote from: CIS on February 21, 2016, 09:29:10 PM

Also, people can value whatever they want. I would imagine most people value personal gain over their work. You work to live not live to work.

People are scumfuck pieces of shit who deserve to die, then. All of them.

What an intelligent and well thought out post.

What an intelligent and well-thought-out response.

If humans are inherently self-serving, then they deserve nothing but hell.

Truth.

Quote from: CIS on February 21, 2016, 09:31:25 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 21, 2016, 09:30:50 PM

Quote from: CIS on February 21, 2016, 09:29:10 PM

Also, people can value whatever they want. I would imagine most people value personal gain over their work. You work to live not live to work.

People are scumfuck pieces of shit who deserve to die, then. All of them.

What an intelligent and well thought out post.

What an intelligent and well-thought-out response.

If humans are inherently self-seving, then they deserve nothing but hell.

Truth.

Just because people don't conform to your naive ideals doesn't mean they're awful cretins that deserve to burn in hell.

Quote from: CIS on February 21, 2016, 09:34:22 PM

Just because people don't conform to your naive ideals doesn't mean they're awful cretins that deserve to burn in hell.

It does if I can prove my "naive" ideals to be valid, which they are.

How is your ideal world in which people such as scientists only do what they do purely out of the good of their heart in anyway realistic?

Quote from: CIS on February 21, 2016, 09:39:50 PM

How is your ideal world in which people such as scientists only do what they do purely out of the good of their heart in anyway realistic?

Please show me where I said it was realistic.

Stop avoiding the point. You know as well as I do that a world like that wouldn't work at all. People want and deserve compensation for their time and effort. Academics are no exception.

Quote from: CIS on February 21, 2016, 09:43:41 PM

Stop avoiding the point.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

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You know as well as I do that a world like that wouldn't work at all. People want and deserve compensation for their time and effort. Academics are no exception.

Which is exactly why people deserve to burn and die.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. Also, valuing personal gain over work doesn't mean you deserve to burn and die. You're being extremely childish here.

holy god you people seriously think profiting off your scientific work is good? money is an added bonus to what you contribute to what you do to help further the science field and knowledge of our universe. if you only do it for the money, then you arent participating in "good" science and you shouldnt be one anyways

People put humongous amounts of time and effort into conducting research. They're not awful people for wanting to get rewarded for their work.

The breakthrough itself is the reward. Get it through your thick skull.

They can also value whatever they want because you can't force people to value things that you think they should value. Scientists are human beings like everyone else with lives outside their work that they probably value over it.

That makes them pieces of shit. Just like everybody else who values "whatever they want" over their contributions to humanity.

Quote from: CIS on February 21, 2016, 09:57:18 PM

People put humongous amounts of time and effort into conducting research. They're not awful people for wanting to get rewarded for their work.

The breakthrough itself is the reward. Get it through your thick skull.

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They can also value whatever they want because you can't force people to value things that you think they should value. Scientists are human beings like everyone else with lives outside their work that they probably value over it.

That makes them pieces of shit. Just like everybody else who values "whatever they want" over their contributions to humanity.

To some it may be the reward. However, to others it may be what they can do with the breakthrough or the monetary reward for the discovery. We don't live in a world where everything is perfect and everyone cares for one another. All attempts to create such a world have failed miserably (e.g., Maoist China, Cambodia, USSR).

You heard it here, folks. If you contribute anything to society and expect a fair wage in return, you're a piece of shit. Fuck teachers, scientists, doctors, social workers, etc.

Yes.

It's not really a controversial statement. Not even a little tiny bit.

If you're not working out of the GOODNESS of your heart, what other option is there?

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 21, 2016, 10:32:31 PM

You heard it here, folks. If you contribute anything to society and expect a fair wage in return, you're a piece of shit. Fuck teachers, scientists, doctors, social workers, etc.

Yes.

It's not really a controversial statement. Not even a little tiny bit.

If you're not working out of the GOODNESS of your heart, what other option is there?

It's really unfortunate that in reality, rent, car payments, food, bills, and other expenses aren't paid in goodness. Your statement isn't just controversial -- it's absurd.

Quote from: Verbatim on February 21, 2016, 11:04:56 PM

If you're not working out of the GOODNESS of your heart, what other option is there?

There is literally no such thing

Which is why the fact is inescapable that humans are pieces of shit.

It's in our nature, and we can't escape it--but we can try, and we'll die trying.

From my Christian perspective, yeah kinda.

From an atheistic perspective you're being spooked and shouldn't get so caught up in shit like good and bad when those things are totally arbitrary without a higher entity to dictate them.

Buddhists tend to see things my way, and they're atheists. I don't know how much you've looked into Buddhism.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 21, 2016, 11:09:18 PM

It's really unfortunate that in reality, rent, car payments, food, bills, and other expenses aren't paid in goodness.

That's the failure of capitalism.

It's a failure that we don't use happy wishes to pay for goods and services? Even communism places value on work and goods; it just forces it to be doled out equally. At the very least you're talking about a post-scarcity society with the privilege to pursue any career, which is pure fantasy. So you can blame capitalism and shit on good people contributing to society all you want, but you're not adding anything of value to this discussion.

Everyone and everything sucks.

Given how I think about any given subject, is it all that surprising that I feel this way?