All stuff that can be considered outdated, and can be ignored or translated to modern times.

In that case I think we should advance the belief in God as outdated.

Edgy.

Hardly.

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All stuff that can be considered outdated, and can be ignored or translated to modern times.

In that case I think we should advance the belief in God as outdated.

Edgy.

Why is the content of the Bible outdated, but not God?

It is outdated if you want it to be. So is the existence of god, as his existence is open to interpretation. I called him edgy, because I am of the opinion that militant atheists are annoying. Just as I am annoyed by religious fundies.

Why argue in circles?

I'm not arguing in circles. I'm trying to figure out why you think it's okay to dismiss the Bible as outdated, but not God.

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I'm not arguing in circles. I'm trying to figure out why you think it's okay to dismiss the Bible as outdated, but not God.

Why does it matter?

As I said to you last time, I'm trying to understand what other people believe.

Its pointless.

Trying to understand what other people think is pointless?

That explains a lot about you.

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I'm not arguing in circles. I'm trying to figure out why you think it's okay to dismiss the Bible as outdated, but not God.

Why does it matter?

As I said to you last time, I'm trying to understand what other people believe.

Its pointless.

Trying to understand what other people think is pointless?

That explains a lot about you.

Because it truly is pointless. No human can ever truly know what goes on in the mind if another. Repeatedly interrogating a person's beliefs is not going to magically make them agree with you and tell you what you want to hear.

My issue isn't with agreement. I have no problem with people who don't agree with me.

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Man: looks like a primate, acts like a primate (sometimes), DNA similar to a primate

Christians/other religions that deny evolution: not a primate.

They just want to feel like we're all special.

Christianity doesn't deny evolution though..

Yes it does.

Christians follow the Bible, and Genesis clearly states that God created humans.

The first part of Genesis be a poem, m80.

Unless you be coo-coo and try to take it 100% literally.

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Man: looks like a primate, acts like a primate (sometimes), DNA similar to a primate

Christians/other religions that deny evolution: not a primate.

They just want to feel like we're all special.

Christianity doesn't deny evolution though..

Yes it does.

Christians follow the Bible, and Genesis clearly states that God created humans.

The first part of Genesis be a poem, m80.

Unless you be coo-coo and try to take it 100% literally.

So because it's a poem, it isn't true? Perhaps you should tell all the other Christians that Genesis isn't true. I don't think they got the message.

It's a poem that symbolizes God creating man last, and mankind being God's greatest and most valued creation. Keynote: Not all of Genesis is a poem, the beginning is. Don't know if you caught that or nah.

I don't think the entire Christian world is going to agree on the same thing that easily, when everyone has their own different opinions. I met Christians that told me that, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to be of that belief of interpretation.

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Man: looks like a primate, acts like a primate (sometimes), DNA similar to a primate

Christians/other religions that deny evolution: not a primate.

They just want to feel like we're all special.

Christianity doesn't deny evolution though..

Yes it does.

Christians follow the Bible, and Genesis clearly states that God created humans.

The first part of Genesis be a poem, m80.

Unless you be coo-coo and try to take it 100% literally.

So because it's a poem, it isn't true? Perhaps you should tell all the other Christians that Genesis isn't true. I don't think they got the message.

It's a poem that symbolizes God creating man last, and mankind being God's greatest and most valued creation. Keynote: Not all of Genesis is a poem, the beginning is. Don't know if you caught that or nah.

I don't think the entire Christian world is going to agree on the same thing that easily, when everyone has their own different opinions. I met Christians that told me that, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to be of that belief of interpretation.

If it's so obviously not literal, why would it be hard for people to accept?

Because people are stubborn and are gifted with the ability to deny things no matter how true they may seem.

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Quote from: RomanGladiator on October 14, 2014, 11:28:04 AM

Man: looks like a primate, acts like a primate (sometimes), DNA similar to a primate

Christians/other religions that deny evolution: not a primate.

They just want to feel like we're all special.

Christianity doesn't deny evolution though..

Yes it does.

Christians follow the Bible, and Genesis clearly states that God created humans.

The first part of Genesis be a poem, m80.

Unless you be coo-coo and try to take it 100% literally.

So because it's a poem, it isn't true? Perhaps you should tell all the other Christians that Genesis isn't true. I don't think they got the message.

It's a poem that symbolizes God creating man last, and mankind being God's greatest and most valued creation. Keynote: Not all of Genesis is a poem, the beginning is. Don't know if you caught that or nah.

I don't think the entire Christian world is going to agree on the same thing that easily, when everyone has their own different opinions. I met Christians that told me that, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to be of that belief of interpretation.

If it's so obviously not literal, why would it be hard for people to accept?

Because people are stubborn and are gifted with the ability to deny things no matter how true they may seem.

But even I don't see why Genesis isn't literal. What is the indication that it isn't?

Because the Bible frequently uses stories in the context of a myth; they may or may not be based on a real event, but their point is to convey a moral/spiritual lesson.

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Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 14, 2014, 11:54:34 AM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on October 14, 2014, 11:28:04 AM

Man: looks like a primate, acts like a primate (sometimes), DNA similar to a primate

Christians/other religions that deny evolution: not a primate.

They just want to feel like we're all special.

Christianity doesn't deny evolution though..

Yes it does.

Christians follow the Bible, and Genesis clearly states that God created humans.

The first part of Genesis be a poem, m80.

Unless you be coo-coo and try to take it 100% literally.

So because it's a poem, it isn't true? Perhaps you should tell all the other Christians that Genesis isn't true. I don't think they got the message.

It's a poem that symbolizes God creating man last, and mankind being God's greatest and most valued creation. Keynote: Not all of Genesis is a poem, the beginning is. Don't know if you caught that or nah.

I don't think the entire Christian world is going to agree on the same thing that easily, when everyone has their own different opinions. I met Christians that told me that, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to be of that belief of interpretation.

If it's so obviously not literal, why would it be hard for people to accept?

Because people are stubborn and are gifted with the ability to deny things no matter how true they may seem.

But even I don't see why Genesis isn't literal. What is the indication that it isn't?

Because the Bible frequently uses stories in the context of a myth; they may or may not be based on a real event, but their point is to convey a moral/spiritual lesson.

But how do you know which are literal and which are metaphorical?

They're all supposed to be metaphorical, but that doesn't mean some aren't based on real events. Which are based in some historical fact? Who knows, but in the end that's not the point.

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Man: looks like a primate, acts like a primate (sometimes), DNA similar to a primate

Christians/other religions that deny evolution: not a primate.

They just want to feel like we're all special.

Christianity doesn't deny evolution though..

Yes it does.

Christians follow the Bible, and Genesis clearly states that God created humans.

The first part of Genesis be a poem, m80.

Unless you be coo-coo and try to take it 100% literally.

So because it's a poem, it isn't true? Perhaps you should tell all the other Christians that Genesis isn't true. I don't think they got the message.

It's a poem that symbolizes God creating man last, and mankind being God's greatest and most valued creation. Keynote: Not all of Genesis is a poem, the beginning is. Don't know if you caught that or nah.

I don't think the entire Christian world is going to agree on the same thing that easily, when everyone has their own different opinions. I met Christians that told me that, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to be of that belief of interpretation.

If it's so obviously not literal, why would it be hard for people to accept?

Because people are stubborn and are gifted with the ability to deny things no matter how true they may seem.

But even I don't see why Genesis isn't literal. What is the indication that it isn't?

Because the Bible frequently uses stories in the context of a myth; they may or may not be based on a real event, but their point is to convey a moral/spiritual lesson.

But how do you know which are literal and which are metaphorical?

They're all supposed to be metaphorical, but that doesn't mean some aren't based on real events. Which are based in some historical fact? Who knows, but in the end that's not the point.

What I find interesting is how you say that with any certainty, when there's a not-so-insignificant number of people who would claim otherwise. Why are they wrong and you are right?

Because foremost it just makes sense. Jesus didn't go around giving history lessons, he told people parables, metaphors that would help you gain insight on something. If the Bible is supposed to be God's word, then why would it be any different?

Do I have God's signature saying that this is what it is? No. However, any literal taking of the Bible undoubtedly brings up errors with science and whatnot, so I don't see a good argument for how that is right.