1. The Church should stop treating women as second-class people, and not just in family issues. Women should have the same rights and privileges as men in the Church. We can only dream that one day there will be a Pope Frances. At this point, women cannot even be priests.2. It’s time to end the Church’s celibacy requirement for priests and nuns. While promoting natural law, the Church fails to acknowledge how unnatural celibacy is. Here’s a novel idea: Shouldn’t priests be viewed as role models with families, rather than as unquestionable messengers who act as necessary intermediaries to God?3. The Church should give high priority to eliminating family poverty caused by having too many children. Provide evidence-based sex education for young people, especially since abstinence-only programs have such a high failure rate. Permit abortion under some circumstances and encourage contraception. Pregnant teenagers are not ready to start families of two and are likely to drop out of school. Education for women is a primary method of reducing poverty.4. The Church should recognize that masturbation is not a sin. It is natural and healthy safe sex, giving harmless pleasure to individuals without leading to unwanted pregnancies or venereal disease.5. Regarding gays, Pope Francis, move away from “Love the sinner, but hate the sin.” If two responsible and mature people love each other, are in a committed relationship, and would like to marry, you should be willing to bless such a union. And please stop telling people that the purpose of marriage is to have children, since you sometimes perform marriages for heterosexual couples who are incapable of having children.6. Please recognize that it is degrading to have celibate male priests passing themselves off as experts on sexual advice for women, men, and children. Male leaders in the Catholic Church are obsessed with sex. Morality should not be viewed through the narrow prism of sexual conduct. Ethical and moral behavior is about treating everyone with respect. If there is any issue that is none of the Church’s business, it is the private sexual acts of consenting adults. Church leaders claim to be humble, but their treatment of women and people who don’t share their antiquated beliefs is the height of arrogance.7. Don’t expect those outside the Catholic faith to behave like those in the faith. Stay out of politics and don’t prevent others from following the dictates of their conscience.
The point of celibacy is to show the person has self control.
that would be considered lust.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 12:58:29 PMThe point of celibacy is to show the person has self control.Yeah, look how fucking fantastically that turned out.
Quote from: The Hån on October 12, 2014, 12:57:43 PMthat would be considered lust.>implying lust is bad
I don't see how changing its stance on masturbation matters at all
The ones that have stayed celibate are still doing fine.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:04:16 PMThe ones that have stayed celibate are still doing fine.I don't think that's a fair trade off for the institutionalised rape of children.
They're not staying celibate so obviously they don't have self control.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:13:32 PMThey're not staying celibate so obviously they don't have self control.Exactly. The systematic suppression of natural urges and human emotion will never result in anything good.
They're not even related to one another.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:20:47 PMThey're not even related to one another.Are you seriously trying to tell me that a Church encouraging celibacy among the clergy isn't, in any way at all, linked to the crimes we saw. I'm not even saying they're the proximate cause. I'm saying such encouragement will never provoke positive outcomes, and it certainly contributed to the issue.
You fail to realize that the entire point of being a priest or nun is to give up worldly desires and live for the faith.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:29:11 PMYou fail to realize that the entire point of being a priest or nun is to give up worldly desires and live for the faith.I don't fail to realise that at all. I just think the whole idea is fucking abhorrent.
They're doing what they believe is right.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:50:34 PMThey're doing what they believe is right. So is ISIS.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 12, 2014, 01:52:22 PMQuote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:50:34 PMThey're doing what they believe is right. So is ISIS.Yes? I don't believe what they're doing is right.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:56:26 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on October 12, 2014, 01:52:22 PMQuote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:50:34 PMThey're doing what they believe is right. So is ISIS.Yes? I don't believe what they're doing is right.So you have some room for condemnation?
When I feel like someone is being treated unjustly, sure.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 12, 2014, 01:59:13 PMWhen I feel like someone is being treated unjustly, sure.So if the Catholic Church were doing something, demonstrably, unjust and harmful, you'd condemn them?
Permit abortion under some circumstances and encourage contraception.
7 Family Issues Pope Francis Should - But Won't - Discuss
