Vermont becomes first US state to require GMO labeling

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http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/06/30/coca-cola-to-pull-several-products-from-vermont-when-labeling-law-goes-into/

Several food industry companies have attempted to block the law but have failed. Coca-Cola is now planning on pulling some of its products from shelves as a result.


 
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Good.

I'm neither for nor against GMOs, but they absolutely should be labeled no matter what you think.


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Good.

I'm neither for nor against GMOs, but they absolutely should be labeled no matter what you think.

There's no compelling reason to, though. It's just pandering to anti-science fearmongering. GMOs are nutritionally identical to their counterparts.


 
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What are GMO? Genetically modified organic?


 
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There's no compelling reason to, though. It's just pandering to anti-science fearmongering. GMOs are nutritionally identical to their counterparts.
...I don't really care? The consumer has a right to know what's in their food regardless of how harmless it is.


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There's no compelling reason to, though. It's just pandering to anti-science fearmongering. GMOs are nutritionally identical to their counterparts.
...I don't really care? The consumer has a right to know what's in their food regardless of how harmless it is.

They do know. It's on the ingredient list. Non-GMO corn and GMO corn are effectively the same thing as far as it concerns the consumer. Labeling implies a difference to the customer, an implication which is misleading.
Last Edit: July 01, 2016, 12:06:48 PM by HrfulTurkie


 
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They do know. It's on the ingredient list. Non-GMO corn and GMO corn are effectively the same thing as far as it concerns the consumer. Labeling implies a difference to the customer, an implication which is misleading.
You could say that about basically any ingredient you deem superfluous. The principle of the matter is that people have the right to distrust people, even authorities. I don't care how crazy or misguided they are.
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They do know. It's on the ingredient list. Non-GMO corn and GMO corn are effectively the same thing as far as it concerns the consumer. Labeling implies a difference to the customer, an implication which is misleading.
You could say that about basically any ingredient you deem superfluous. The principle of the matter is that people have the right to distrust people, even authorities. I don't care how crazy or misguided they are.

Of course they have a right to do so. You yourself have said many times that just because one has a right doesn't mean that it needs to be exercised on a whim. I'm not arguing their right; I'm saying they're propagating anti-science fearmongering and there's no nutritional need; no other food or ingredient has its manufacturing process labeled by law, because it's not relevant to a nutritional label.
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Good.

I'm neither for nor against GMOs, but they absolutely should be labeled no matter what you think.

There's no compelling reason to, though. It's just pandering to anti-science fearmongering. GMOs are nutritionally identical to their counterparts.
lmao

it's funny how dumb you are


 
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Anti-science horseshit combined with government overregulation. It's a winning combination.


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Anti-science horseshit combined with government overregulation. It's a winning combination.
The people of Vermont voted for the bill to happen despite push-back by corporate interests, and a few US Senators are attempting to fight the law as well. I would hardly call that "government overregulation"


 
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I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like labeling something as being a GMO stops it from being sold.


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Some individuals might not purchase said product now because they are now aware that it's a GMO even though there is virtually no differences with the non-GMO variant.

I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like labeling something as being a GMO stops it from being sold.


 
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Some individuals might not purchase said product now because they are now aware that it's a GMO even though there is virtually no differences with the non-GMO variant.

I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like labeling something as being a GMO stops it from being sold.
Except one causes cancer and one doesn't.

People have a right to know what's in their food.


 
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Some individuals might not purchase said product now because they are now aware that it's a GMO even though there is virtually no differences with the non-GMO variant.

I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like labeling something as being a GMO stops it from being sold.

Too bad? Giving the consumer more information about the product they're buying is never a bad thing. It's no different than a "made in china" label.


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There's nothing shady about the China label though. Whereas a lot of people are uneducated about GMOs and will avoid the product and go with the non-GMO equivalent when it is no better. Corn is corn, it makes no difference if it's a GMO corn or not, the only thing the consumer needs to see on the ingredients on their bag of frozen corn is: Corn.

Too bad? Giving the consumer more information about the product they're buying is never a bad thing. It's no different than a "made in china" label.


 
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There's nothing shady about the China label though. Whereas a lot of people are uneducated about GMOs and will avoid the product and go with the non-GMO equivalent when it is no better. Corn is corn, it makes no difference if it's a GMO corn or not, the only thing the consumer needs to see on the ingredients on their bag of frozen corn is: Corn.

Too bad? Giving the consumer more information about the product they're buying is never a bad thing. It's no different than a "made in china" label.

Brotato, there is a significant chunk of people out there that wont buy things that are made in China despite there being nothing wrong with the product. The attitudes people take towards things made in China and GMOs is pretty similar. There's nothing wrong with giving the consumer more information about the product. Corporations are not entitled to the consumers money and if a corporation loses money because the consumer had more information about their product at their disposal then that's just too bad for them. I have zero sympathy for a multi-billion dollar corporation whose CEO makes more money in a day than i'll probably see in my entire life.


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As much as I love freedom of choice, I think people who choose to purchase that way are petty as fuck.

Brotato, there is a significant chunk of people out there that wont buy things that are made in China despite there being nothing wrong with the product. The attitudes people take towards things made in China and GMOs is pretty similar. There's nothing wrong with giving the consumer more information about the product. Corporations are not entitled to the consumers money and if a corporation loses money because the consumer had more information about their product at their disposal then that's just too bad for them. I have zero sympathy for a multi-billion dollar corporation whose CEO makes more money in a day than i'll probably see in my entire life.


 
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As much as I love freedom of choice, I think people who choose to purchase that way are petty as fuck.
It doesn't matter what you think.


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Fuck you Verb you never got rid of your rat avatar to spite the furry cancer why should I care what you say.

It doesn't matter what you think.


 
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You yourself have said many times that just because one has a right doesn't mean that it needs to be exercised on a whim.
sure, except you're trying to conflate my right to do something with my ability to do it in the first place, which--unless i live in Vermont--i cannot do, without expending some extraneous effort on my part

so while i understand that you're not trying to "take away" my right, the problem is that i don't have it to begin with

no other food or ingredient has its manufacturing process labeled by law, because it's not relevant to a nutritional label.
hawley-smoot would like a word

LC already brought up the made in china thing, but yeah

i think a product's country of origin has a lot to do with its manufacturing process, wouldn't you say


 
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i think a product's country of origin has a lot to do with its manufacturing process, wouldn't you say
I wouldn't.


 
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i think a product's country of origin has a lot to do with its manufacturing process, wouldn't you say
I wouldn't.
you're telling me that products exported from foreign countries undergo the same cushy rules, regulations, and QA that they do here


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
i think a product's country of origin has a lot to do with its manufacturing process, wouldn't you say
I wouldn't.
you're telling me that products exported from foreign countries undergo the same cushy rules, regulations, and QA that they do here
Depends on the country, I guess. And what I'm buying.

If it's some fruit from Venezuela tbh I consider it more organic than anything grown by a major US factory farm (which my word choice obviously barres the Mennonite farm ten minutes down the road that we get a lot of our vegetables during the local growing seasons from)
If it's not food.... what the fuck do I care if it was made by some chink kid for pennies an hour?
And if it's German made... well, son, I tell you, from my experience with Milsurp and reproductions, that Hergestellt in Deutschland sticker requires a hell of a lot more dedication than a "Made in USA" tag.


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i think a product's country of origin has a lot to do with its manufacturing process, wouldn't you say
I wouldn't.
you're telling me that products exported from foreign countries undergo the same cushy rules, regulations, and QA that they do here

Well, yeah, imports are regulated by the FDA. From their website:
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FDA is not authorized under the law to approve, certify, license, or otherwise sanction individual food importers, products, labels, or shipments. Importers can import foods into the United States without prior sanction by FDA, as long as the facilities that produce, store, or otherwise handle the products are registered with FDA, and prior notice of incoming shipments is provided to FDA.

Imported food products are subject to FDA inspection when offered for import at U.S. ports of entry. FDA may detain shipments of products offered for import if the shipments are found not to be in compliance with U.S. requirements. Both imported and domestically-produced foods must meet the same legal requirements in the United States


 
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