Quote from: Verbatim on December 30, 2014, 07:59:11 PMI'm going to clear up some misconceptions about the philosophy on the next page. Doesn't really belong in the OP, but I don't want it to be at the bottom of page 1, either...By all means, I'd like to see it.
I'm going to clear up some misconceptions about the philosophy on the next page. Doesn't really belong in the OP, but I don't want it to be at the bottom of page 1, either...
SpoilerSo, to clear up a few misconceptions about the philosophy...1. Anti-natalism does not condone the infanticideno fucking shiteven taking a cursory glance at what the philosophy is, i don't understand how anyone could possibly glean that from any description. mostly, i think people are just trying to troll me when they say this shit, but regardless, i'm not going to let them slander my views so that some onlooker thinks i'm the bad guy because someone shouted "YOU WANT TO KILL BABIES! EVEN THOUGH ALL YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO BE BORN IN THE FIRST PLACE!"2. Anti-natalism does not condone murder at allDuh. Same shit.3. Celibacy is not required...I don't even know how people get this idea. Again, all anti-natalists are saying is "don't have kids". Simple as that. You can certainly have sex--just be responsible. Use protection. In the event of an unwanted pregnancy, abort it. If you're against abortion, well, good fucking luck. Celibacy helps, but if you just don't think life is cool enough without the sex thing, then whatever. Just be careful and take every precaution you can if you're gonna have sex at all. Because if you don't, I'm going to call you a fucking moron. The worst of all fates. Oh, and you'll have created another need machine. That's probably worse. Yeah.4. Anti-natalists do not condemn parentsWe just think they're irresponsible, imposing idiots with no foresight (the likes of which make up the composition of humanity anyway). We don't hate you, and you're still welcome to be an anti-natalist--there are anti-natalist parents in existence. As long as you concede that what you did was a major risk that nothing could have prepared you for, and you are doing everything in your power to make your child as happy and sated as possible (and I mean HAPPY), there's not much harm done. Yes, every once in awhile, the lottery makes a millionaire. But that doesn't make playing the lottery intelligent.That's all I can think of for now, but there's plenty more that'll surely come to mind...
All of that seems rather obvious,
It's impossible to defend outside of circular arguments that end in "no, it just is."
Quote from: GodspeedSnowjira! on December 30, 2014, 08:36:32 PMIt's impossible to defend outside of circular arguments that end in "no, it just is." Well, I mean, I'm not really sure what else it's supposed to say, but just every single day, I'm reading about some shit tragedy that happened overseas, or about the last meth bust that occurred in my area. Entire countries--entire continents, damn near--living in absolute squalor. And then I look at all the so-called "good" on Earth, as well. What? iPhones? Robert Pattinson's hair? The $750 million dollar Hobbit films? That's worth the suffering of millions? I don't think it takes a mathematician to see the imbalance there.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 30, 2014, 06:35:34 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 30, 2014, 06:31:37 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 30, 2014, 06:16:23 PMWell, first and foremost I feel the need to point out that we're not overpopulated by any stretch of the imagination. With the way our resources are distributed on Earth, certain areas would likely be considered it.Poor access to resource is not a demographics issue. No, but they are related in terms of the definition:Quote Overpopulation is a function of the number of individuals compared to the relevant resources, such as the water and essential nutrients they need to survive. If you have two groups, Group A with 5,000,000 people and adequate amounts of fresh water, food, etc., and Group B with 5,000,000 people living without the necessary amount of those resources - Group B is going to be considered overpopulated, as there is not enough of a resource to sustain the population.
Quote from: Fagcicle on December 30, 2014, 06:31:37 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 30, 2014, 06:16:23 PMWell, first and foremost I feel the need to point out that we're not overpopulated by any stretch of the imagination. With the way our resources are distributed on Earth, certain areas would likely be considered it.Poor access to resource is not a demographics issue.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 30, 2014, 06:16:23 PMWell, first and foremost I feel the need to point out that we're not overpopulated by any stretch of the imagination. With the way our resources are distributed on Earth, certain areas would likely be considered it.
Well, first and foremost I feel the need to point out that we're not overpopulated by any stretch of the imagination.
Overpopulation is a function of the number of individuals compared to the relevant resources, such as the water and essential nutrients they need to survive.
(☠) Anti-natalism
