"You should absolutely be forced to be vegan."

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 09:40:39 PM

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Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 09:40:57 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 09:21:03 PM

You did not address any of the logical arguments I presented... you merely persisted to repeat your intellectually lazy rhetoric.

I explained why there is no distinction worth making between two diets that produce equal health. I'll even be so charitable as to remove the term "diet" because you seem to be latching on to it, and go with "lifestyle" instead. If you are unable to look past your bias that unnatural = bad and look at the bare facts of the matter, then any further appeal to logic would be pointless.

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 09:44:22 PM

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Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:35:40 PM

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I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.
Perhaps read through the thread and get a decent understanding of the subject before assuming there's nothing valuable to discuss?
So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?

I think it's clear that you haven't. Nobody with any sincerity would read the exchanges in this thread and then chalk it up to an "autistic vegan sperg out".

Mordo · May 12, 2015, 09:48:03 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.
Perhaps read through the thread and get a decent understanding of the subject before assuming there's nothing valuable to discuss?
So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?
I think it's clear that you haven't. Nobody with any sincerity would read the exchanges in this thread and then chalk it up to an "autistic vegan sperg out".

But I have and I would, and now you're only proving my point.

Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 09:54:11 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 09:44:22 PM

]"I have no rebuttal so I'm Because they aren't equally healthy. Eating a bit of everything is healthy. Being a vegan and needing B12 supplements isn't.

Okay. Going to end our exchange here, because you are either trolling or so willingly immune to dissenting viewpoints that any attempt to reason will be lost on you. Either way you are not ready to have a sophisticated discussion on this topic.

Thanks for your time anyway.

Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 09:56:23 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:48:03 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.
Perhaps read through the thread and get a decent understanding of the subject before assuming there's nothing valuable to discuss?
So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?
I think it's clear that you haven't. Nobody with any sincerity would read the exchanges in this thread and then chalk it up to an "autistic vegan sperg out".
But I have and I would, and now you're only proving my point.

Well, let's take it back a notch then. What parts of my position (or Verb's) do you find objectionable? Assuming there are any, of course.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:00:24 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:54:11 PM

Either way you are not ready to have a sophisticated discussion on this topic.

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challengerX · May 12, 2015, 10:02:38 PM

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Mordo · May 12, 2015, 10:03:56 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:56:23 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.
Perhaps read through the thread and get a decent understanding of the subject before assuming there's nothing valuable to discuss?
So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?
I think it's clear that you haven't. Nobody with any sincerity would read the exchanges in this thread and then chalk it up to an "autistic vegan sperg out".
But I have and I would, and now you're only proving my point.
Well, let's take it back a notch then. What parts of my position (or Verb's) do you find objectionable? Assuming there are any, of course.

The part where you both registered an account on this website.

Deleted · May 12, 2015, 10:12:41 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:56:23 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.
Perhaps read through the thread and get a decent understanding of the subject before assuming there's nothing valuable to discuss?
So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?
I think it's clear that you haven't. Nobody with any sincerity would read the exchanges in this thread and then chalk it up to an "autistic vegan sperg out".
But I have and I would, and now you're only proving my point.
Well, let's take it back a notch then. What parts of my position (or Verb's) do you find objectionable? Assuming there are any, of course.

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 05:52:11 PM

Either way, I'd rather "kill the world with CO2 pollution" than kill animals for our gain. MUCH rather.

How about that for starters. It's OK if everyone and everything die miserably just so long as nobody had a burger. That's what relay counts right.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:15:48 PM

Everyone dies. That's the result.

I don't see what's so bad about that, especially as an anti-natalist, where the end goal is basically human extinction anyway.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:19:09 PM

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 12, 2015, 10:12:41 PM

just so long as nobody had a burger.

Don't act like that's the only human travesty there is. It's a pretty colossal portion of it, but not the entire thing.

Deleted · May 12, 2015, 10:20:47 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 10:15:48 PM

Everyone dies. That's the result.

I don't see what's so bad about that, especially as an anti-natalist, where the end goal is basically human extinction anyway.

Well...um

that actually answers a lot of my question...I guess...

so...erm...good luck with that?

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:23:11 PM

But that's only if I was given those two choices and nothing else.

If I had a red button that ended all life on the planet painlessly and instantaneously, I would obviously press that button before I'd kill everyone with CO2...

Dopameme · May 12, 2015, 10:23:17 PM

I don't think outright banning something that many people enjoy will go over very well with the general population (prohibition era, anyone?). That isn't to say that something like this isn't possible in the future, but the way society is now there just aren't any feasible methods of transitioning an entire generation of humans into veganism.

Personally I have nothing against vegans and as a pacifist I can definitely side with them on the stance of stopping the mass murder of animals for our personal gain, but I just feel like we as humans are predisposed to having an omnivorous diet, as our anatomy fully supports it.

I'd also like to add that I don't quite understand the argument that, if you use a dietary supplement, you don't have a healthy diet. Supplements are created for people who have reasons for not being able to get these specific nutrients "the natural way," but then there are the claims that supplements aren't natural. How aren't they? Everything in the supplement was derived from nature, only it's processed in a different form. Unfortunately, the majority of our "natural" sources of nutrients have been processed 50-times over, what with GMOs and pesticide-ridden crops dominating the market, more organic options are pricey and spurn people away from switching over. Personally I use a whey protein supplement because of the fact that I spend the majority of my time working in order to make a living, making it hard for me to plan and execute a well-balanced diet centered around meals.

Hopefully I didn't join in on this topic too late because I really do have a genuine interest in discussing this further.

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 10:25:21 PM

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Batch · May 12, 2015, 10:30:17 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 08:18:40 PM

Quote from: Batch on May 12, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
So do that mean we have to start putting cats and dogs in jail too?

That or they die from the change of diet.

*sips tea*
jesus christ

you really can't figure out that humans are smarter than cats and dogs, and therefore can make the logical decision not to kill animals?

you're basically saying that we should behave like stupid fucking animals
instead of using our BRAINS

We use our brains first and foremost to survive and I wouldn't say eating meat is stupid...hey some countries dont even have supply to such things and then climate times, hell lets not forget about natural disasters.

Plus I thought you said animals were all equally sentient and aware, that dog really just wants that juicy ass.

Batch · May 12, 2015, 10:32:40 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 10:23:11 PM

But that's only if I was given those two choices and nothing else.

If I had a red button that ended all life on the planet painlessly and instantaneously, I would obviously press that button before I'd kill everyone with CO2...

Verby poo not gunna wait for da cow bomb

*sips tea*

Deleted · May 12, 2015, 10:33:31 PM

So let me get this strait. Verbatim wants everybody to stop eating meat becasue it's immoral to eat meat becasue killing is wrong, and his end solution to killing is to kill everything and everyone?

Did someone slam their head against a wall a bit too to hard after finishing Mass Effect 3?

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:34:02 PM

Quote from: Batch on May 12, 2015, 10:30:17 PM

We use our brains first and foremost to survive

not anymore

survival really isn't much of an issue for people living in the cozy first world
you CERTAINLY don't need to eat meat to survive

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Plus I thought you said animals were all equally sentient and aware, that dog really just wants that juicy ass.

sentient =/= sapient

humans are not only sentient, but they are sapient
that means they can perform logic

they can think critically and problem solve
we create complex languages and we use those languages to express complex ideas

except you, apparently

Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 10:34:56 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 10:03:56 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.
Perhaps read through the thread and get a decent understanding of the subject before assuming there's nothing valuable to discuss?
So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?
I think it's clear that you haven't. Nobody with any sincerity would read the exchanges in this thread and then chalk it up to an "autistic vegan sperg out".
But I have and I would, and now you're only proving my point.
Well, let's take it back a notch then. What parts of my position (or Verb's) do you find objectionable? Assuming there are any, of course.
The part where you both registered an account on this website.

It's a shame you are only willing to think critically when it suits you.

I'll gladly have a discussion with you if you change your mind.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:35:24 PM

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 12, 2015, 10:33:31 PM

So let me get this strait. Verbatim wants everybody to stop eating meat becasue it's immoral to eat meat becasue killing is wrong, and his end solution to killing is to kill everything and everyone....

Did someone slam their head against a wall a bit too to hard after finishing Mass Effect 3?

killing isn't wrong

killing for no good reason is wrong

ending all suffering is a good reason to kill everyone

Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 12, 2015, 10:12:41 PM

How about that for starters. It's OK if everyone and everything die miserably just so long as nobody had a burger. That's what relay counts right.

I addressed a comment you made on an earlier page and I'd very much appreciate a response.

Mordo · May 12, 2015, 10:36:33 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 10:34:56 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 12, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
I would chime in my opinion but I don't think I'm in the mood for an autistic vegan sperg out.

All I'm gonna say is I like eating meat both because I like it, and it pisses of sanctimonious vegans with sticks up their arses, yourself being a prime example.
Perhaps read through the thread and get a decent understanding of the subject before assuming there's nothing valuable to discuss?
So you're telling me not to assume despite the fact that you just assumed I hadn't read the thread?
I think it's clear that you haven't. Nobody with any sincerity would read the exchanges in this thread and then chalk it up to an "autistic vegan sperg out".
But I have and I would, and now you're only proving my point.
Well, let's take it back a notch then. What parts of my position (or Verb's) do you find objectionable? Assuming there are any, of course.
The part where you both registered an account on this website.
It's a shame you are only willing to think critically when it suits you.

I'll gladly have a discussion with you if you change your mind.

I think I'd rather have my sirloin steak chilling in the fridge tbh

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:37:22 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 10:35:24 PM

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 12, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
So let me get this strait. Verbatim wants everybody to stop eating meat becasue it's immoral to eat meat becasue killing is wrong, and his end solution to killing is to kill everything and everyone....

Did someone slam their head against a wall a bit too to hard after finishing Mass Effect 3?
killing isn't wrong

killing for no good reason is wrong

ending all suffering is a good reason to kill everyone

though "kill" really is a poor word to use, because it has violent connotations, which i have no intentions of violence

i would euthanize everyone

Dopameme · May 12, 2015, 10:37:41 PM

Quote from: Batch on May 12, 2015, 10:30:17 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 08:18:40 PM
Quote from: Batch on May 12, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
So do that mean we have to start putting cats and dogs in jail too?

That or they die from the change of diet.

*sips tea*
jesus christ

you really can't figure out that humans are smarter than cats and dogs, and therefore can make the logical decision not to kill animals?

you're basically saying that we should behave like stupid fucking animals
instead of using our BRAINS
We use our brains first and foremost to survive

Let's say that all of the world's livestock and meat supply suddenly vanished. Bam, no more meat. What do we do? We use our brains to survive in this new environment by coming up with alternative methods of gaining nutrients that are naturally found in animals.

Obviously this situation would never ever happen, but my point is that we as a species have developed methods of making our survival much easier than it was for our ancestors. We don't need to be pushed to the brink of extinction to begin developing more humane, earth-friendly ways of feeding our population.

Deleted · May 12, 2015, 10:38:50 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 10:35:24 PM

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 12, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
So let me get this strait. Verbatim wants everybody to stop eating meat becasue it's immoral to eat meat becasue killing is wrong, and his end solution to killing is to kill everything and everyone....

Did someone slam their head against a wall a bit too to hard after finishing Mass Effect 3?
killing isn't wrong

killing for no good reason is wrong

ending all suffering is a good reason to kill everyone

There's no point in ending suffering if there is nothing to enjoy.
I'd rather go through life suffering just as long as I has a bit of something to be happy in.

You are fucking weird as hell, verb

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 10:40:59 PM

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 12, 2015, 10:38:50 PM

There's no point in ending suffering if there is nothing to enjoy.

yes there is

a lack of suffering can only be a good thing
and while pleasure is good, the lack of pleasure isn't bad

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I'd rather go through life suffering just as long as I has a bit of something to be happy in.

i call that "insane"

Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 10:42:53 PM

Quote from: Tryptameme on May 12, 2015, 10:37:41 PM

Not to mention we already have alternatives for almost every animal product there is.