"White Privilege, Explained in One Simple Comic"

 
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DAILY REMINDER THAT MLK WAS KILLED WHEN HE STARTED ATTACKING CLASSISM

What's your point?

The trail of dead bodies left by people through history who wanted to change stuff for the better sort of speaks for itself at how much people don't want things to change.


 
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DAILY REMINDER THAT MLK WAS KILLED WHEN HE STARTED ATTACKING CLASSISM

What's your point?
That classism is the real issue, not race.

Oh, yeah.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
I've changed my mind. White privilege is very real and while I'm sorry hat I have it, I for one love having the privilege of watching the urban youth move in to my home town, live in section 8 housing developments, erode my traditional culture, and fill the halls of my old high school with cheap and affordable drugs. Why wouldn't I? If I said anything against these fine, upstanding young adults of color then I would be a racist or a classist tool of the bourgeoisie trying to keep the honest poor folk down. I sure wouldn't want to be labelled as such a thing.


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I for one love having the privilege of watching the urban youth move in to my home town, live in section 8 housing developments, erode my traditional culture, and fill the halls of my old high school with cheap and affordable drugs.
I lol'd


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
I for one love having the privilege of watching the urban youth move in to my home town, live in section 8 housing developments, erode my traditional culture, and fill the halls of my old high school with cheap and affordable drugs.
I lol'd
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Look, there's a point to what these SJW's are saying.

They're just blowing it out of proportion.
This is pretty much it.

Are there some remaining institutional barriers to non-white people in majority white countries like America and Britain? Yes, probably. Almost definitely so in the case of America.

That being said, it doesn't really seem like throwing around accusations of institutionalised racism or systemic white privilege is particularly useful. Most of the institutional disadvantages that exist to non-whites in countries like the U.S. aren't motivated by racism for the most part; things like the war on drugs, mandatory minimum sentencing and the failure of inner-city public education are not caused by some ominous desire to fuck over black people. In the same vein, casting the historical position of whites as some kind of religious original sin--for which the sinner (in this case an entire race) must atone--is not at all helpful to the dismantling of these institutional barriers.

Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 05:48:15 PM by Meta Cognition


 
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In the same vein, casting the historical position of whites as some kind of religious original sin--for which the sinner (in this case an entire race) must atone--is not at all helpful to the dismantling of these institutional barriers.
How isn't it?

The first step of solving any issue is to recognize that there is one--which is the whole point of "checking one's privilege." It seems to me that people only refuse to do so out of a petty sense of personal pride--"I can't check my privilege, because that's associated with SJWs, and SJWs are yucky, because the Internet says so, because I'm a mindless idiot who watches The Amazing Atheist and GradeAUnderA videos all day."

That seems less helpful to me.
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
is to recognize that there is one
Right, and this is something that continued civil rights activism and policy reform haven't accomplished?

The concept of "white privilege" is meaningless because it transfixes on a variable--race--which is largely unimportant. The fact that I am white is irrelevant to my position of privilege outside of being a demographic indicator. Black people aren't in gaol for minor drug offences because they are black, they're in gaol because we have pursued policies (like the war on drugs) which disproportionately affect black people despite their being no racist motivation behind such policies.

In what way does me "checking my privilege", with all the associated political baggage that comes with, help policy makers improve public education or end the war on drugs? What about the growing white underclass being left behind in both the US and the UK? Are we going to pretend that their problems are not, by and large, an extension of the same kind of policy mistakes which have for so long disproportionately harmed people of colour? What about the fact that the attainment gap is really one of class and not of race?

The actual problem here is one of class, social mobility and inequality.


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You don't have to agree with something to find it funny as shit. And regardless, he's pretty fucking funny.

I thought by "hilarious," you meant, "Haha, this guy makes a great point, and he's funny, too!" or something.


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>like how people of color are disproportionately more likely to end up in jail, despite us not mentioning that they also commit a disproportionately high amount of serious crimes compared to how little of the total American population they account for
I wonder if racial minorities are more likely to end up in jail because they are more likely to be products of broken homes and shitty schools, so they're left with few options, so they choose a life of crime...

(x race) people don't commit more crimes because they're (x).


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I wonder if racial minorities are more likely to end up in jail because they are more likely to be products of broken homes and shitty schools, so they're left with few options, so they choose a life of crime...
Except that's exactly Flee's point.

The fact that he is white, and that blacks disproportionately commit crimes, are irrelevant. The reason black people end up in jail is not because they are black (mostly), it's because they're prosecuted under laws which happen to cover a greater range of proscribed behaviours which they perform due to determinants other than race.

This should be obvious, because race itself is not a determinant of behaviour. . .


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What can be done to fix it though? Speaking purely for the next generation, you can't force parental figures to stay and be parents, nor should teachers pass students that are not ready to go onto the next level.

The equation gets more complicated when you bring in the tension with law enforcement; even if you replaced all the racist cops with officers with good intentions, any poor souls who chose to be criminals will still have to face criminal punishment only now the officers are just doing their job but the disdain for the police will continue.

I wonder if racial minorities are more likely to end up in jail because they are more likely to be products of broken homes and shitty schools, so they're left with few options, so they choose a life of crime...


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I feel like there is a disconnect between what some of you interpret "white privilege" to be and what most other people think it means. If white privilege is all about the cycle of poverty that African American families disproportionately face, then what is male privilege? I got the impression that most people think it means white skin magically makes life easier due to an intrinsically racist society or something.
Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 11:06:07 PM by False Turquoise


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Alright so lemme explain something here

Most SANE people do not expect anyone with "privilege" to actually do much about it. "Privilege" has become such a buzzword that most people are content to think that it's simply a non-issue and just a point for the "opposing" side to shut down arguments.

All these dumb talking points with "WELL THERE ARE POOR WHITE PEOPLE SO WHAT ABOUT THEIR PRIVILEGE, HUH?!" come from people that don't get the basic concept that class is the ultimate divider. Skin color and gender really only effect someone over the same class level. "Privilege" simply means that, given the same starting point in life, it is easier for that person to gain traction over others.

Class > race > gender, it's pretty much as simple as that. A poor white man will naturally have eons less opportunity than a rich black woman, but will have slightly more opportunities than a poor black woman due to institutionalized and systemic racism and sexism.

Like, seriously, it's a really simple concept. Nobody is saying that men never face any hardships or are never discriminated against - ESPECIALLY due to class divides. People are simply saying that, among the same level, white males tend to have a higher disposition towards success than black males or women.


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And to address the "universal race" argument that I rolled my eyes at on the first page and was so lovingly accused of wanting some sort of race hierarchy - not making much sense, there, considering that I'm white - saying that you "shouldn't see race, because that's REALLY being racist" is just a handy way to shut down any legitimate points against people facing systemic or institutionalized racism. Now, if everyone on this planet were to not see race, that would, of course, be a fantastic world and we'd all get along smoothly. The problem is that a lot of problems that are faced by racial minorities in this world come specifically from their race, and white dudes saying that they "don't see race" so neither should said minorities just comes off as, "I really don't care about your problems because I have not personally experienced anything like them, so please stop talking about them."


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Alright so lemme explain something here

Most SANE people do not expect anyone with "privilege" to actually do much about it. "Privilege" has become such a buzzword that most people are content to think that it's simply a non-issue and just a point for the "opposing" side to shut down arguments.

All these dumb talking points with "WELL THERE ARE POOR WHITE PEOPLE SO WHAT ABOUT THEIR PRIVILEGE, HUH?!" come from people that don't get the basic concept that class is the ultimate divider. Skin color and gender really only effect someone over the same class level. "Privilege" simply means that, given the same starting point in life, it is easier for that person to gain traction over others.

Class > race > gender, it's pretty much as simple as that. A poor white man will naturally have eons less opportunity than a rich black woman, but will have slightly more opportunities than a poor black woman due to institutionalized and systemic racism and sexism.

Like, seriously, it's a really simple concept. Nobody is saying that men never face any hardships or are never discriminated against - ESPECIALLY due to class divides. People are simply saying that, among the same level, white males tend to have a higher disposition towards success than black males or women.
So basically we just have to sit here and accept your bullshit, revisionist, world-salad definition of what white privilege  actually means and that it's not a racially-motivated concept and how it's oh-so simple that fucking naming it like a racially-motivated concept shouldn't have thrown us off. And, lo and behold, you arrive at the same conclusion both a conservative and moderate liberal managed to articulate before you.

You could give Camnator a run for his money.


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You've gone incoherent.

You could give Camnator a run for his money.


 
 
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Alright so lemme explain something here

Most SANE people do not expect anyone with "privilege" to actually do much about it. "Privilege" has become such a buzzword that most people are content to think that it's simply a non-issue and just a point for the "opposing" side to shut down arguments.

All these dumb talking points with "WELL THERE ARE POOR WHITE PEOPLE SO WHAT ABOUT THEIR PRIVILEGE, HUH?!" come from people that don't get the basic concept that class is the ultimate divider. Skin color and gender really only effect someone over the same class level. "Privilege" simply means that, given the same starting point in life, it is easier for that person to gain traction over others.

Class > race > gender, it's pretty much as simple as that. A poor white man will naturally have eons less opportunity than a rich black woman, but will have slightly more opportunities than a poor black woman due to institutionalized and systemic racism and sexism.

Like, seriously, it's a really simple concept. Nobody is saying that men never face any hardships or are never discriminated against - ESPECIALLY due to class divides. People are simply saying that, among the same level, white males tend to have a higher disposition towards success than black males or women.
So basically we just have to sit here and accept your bullshit, revisionist, world-salad definition of what white privilege  actually means and that it's not a racially-motivated concept and how it's oh-so simple that fucking naming it like a racially-motivated concept shouldn't have thrown us off. And, lo and behold, you arrive at the same conclusion both a conservative and moderate liberal managed to articulate before you.

You could give Camnator a run for his money.
It's...totally racially motivated. That's the whole point. What're you on about?

"Racially motivated" doesn't mean "kill all the whities," it just means "recognize that minorities have racially-integrated problems."


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little of it has to do with the color of their skin
"Black and Hispanic students are dramatically underrepresented in the most selective colleges, even after controlling for family income. The probability of enrolling in a highly selective college is five times greater for white students than black students. Even after controlling for income, white students are two to three times as likely as black students to gain admission to highly selective colleges. These racial disparities appear to have grown in the last 30 years. Because the racial disparity in selective college admissions persists even after controlling for income, income-based admissions practices will not eliminate the racial disparities"

Racial bias in hiring based on ethnic-sounding names

Black names have a 50% disadvantage over similarly-accomplished "white" names on college resumes

Clean-record black men have the same hiring potential as white criminals

Black people are arrested four times as often for marijuana offenses despite similar levels of use in white communities

The percentage of white people living in a neighborhood is a better predictor for an approved mortgage than income is

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The point of privilege discourse is to remind people to be humble about their accomplishments and to be aware of the challenges other people (women, minorities, poorer people) face that they themselves might not be aware of.

Your own privileges are often invisible to you and because of this it's easy to ascribe your successes solely to your own hard work, perseverance, and intelligence. And these factors no doubt played a big part, but certain privileges helped you along the way. If you're from a white, middle class family with professional parents who went to university, and your a male who is comfortable in you gender and sexual orientation, you've not only faced a lot fewer barriers than other folk you've also received some important bonuses like help from you parents and the social and cultural capital necessary to integrate into professional communities.

The problem is when privileged people reach a point in their lives where they control hiring decisions or can act as gatekeepers to important resources, they don't acknowledge the help they've received and don't realize that not everyone has had these. And so they discount people who maybe haven't gone to as great a university as them or haven't had the same social experiences (like ski trips or backpacking across Europe). This creates a barrier for smart, intelligent, and hard working people to move up in society just because they come from different backgrounds.
There's no one goal of the privilege discourse, but a major one is for people to simply acknowledge their privilege and be aware of its role in their successes. This doesn't mean that everything privileged people have achieved is meaningless or stolen, just that they've had advantages that others haven't.


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
"Racially motivated" doesn't mean "kill all the whities"
Is that supposed to make it any more respectable as a concept?

And if it is about race, why the spiel on class? Or do you just enjoy keeping definitions fluid enough for them to be useful at any point?

If "white privilege" is primarily a concept relating to class but with some racial disaggregation thrown in, it's a dumb and useless concept. If it's primarily racial, it's still dumb and useless.


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tbh we should just accept the demands of the NBPP and give them some pacific islands to make their own new black nation and release all the incarcerated blacks to them like they and the NoI want.
Then these discriminated against minorities can have a land of their own to finally prosper and create a home for black people to be free of white opression.


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"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us'."
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This isn't really related to this thread, but if the people in the US who are the best off (at least economically) are asian, why have I never seen anyone seriously use the term asian privilege? 


Also I am an extraordinarily lucky individual and some portion of the reasons why have to do with race and I am totally okay with recognizing that.
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
tbh we should just accept the demands of the NBPP and give them some pacific islands to make their own new black nation and release all the incarcerated blacks to them like they and the NoI want.
Then these discriminated against minorities can have a land of their own to finally prosper and create a home for black people to be free of white opression.
It worked out so well last time.
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Yeah but they didn't have the great Louis Farrakhan to guide them in their spiritual endeavors.