Quote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:48:35 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:39:26 PMAnd in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.>internetYou do realize how easy it is to blackout the internet in a single country, right?There goes the entire information network.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:39:26 PMAnd in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.>internet
And in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:54:22 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:48:35 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:39:26 PMAnd in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.>internetYou do realize how easy it is to blackout the internet in a single country, right?There goes the entire information network.It's not something I know much about, but is there no way around a government blackout?
Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:48:36 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:39:26 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:35:04 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:32:56 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:27:09 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:19:39 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.>implying the US military isn't made up of 50% crazy rednecks>implying enlisted who joined for college money would actually be willing to fire on American citizens that aren't MuslimsOh come on. Let's look at Syria's military during their little equivalent to your hypothetical scenario. 75% of their army are poorly trained, poorly equipped, unmotivated conscripts who went to war against their own war more blatantly than the US could ever do it, and only a third of their Army ever defected or sabotaged their own efforts. And 4 years later, they're holding their own ground against the 40% of the populace who wants to see them dead. God, they're so bad, that any citizen who can get their hands on an AK is pretty much equal to one of their soldiers.If one of the most shittiest and poorly motivated militaries on Earth was able to hold together in blatant war against the citizens they're supposed to be protecting with only a third of them defecting (and defections have stopped), what makes you think one of the most motivated, best-equipped, and overall best military couldn't do the same? Not to mention peer pressure within the military to stay in. Why should soldiers abandon all their friends they've made in the military, and pretty much their entire life, just to join some insurgent movement which could be better or worse than what they're in right now.FFS, if the US military went to war against its own people, you'd probably have a recruitment spike because people don't want to be killed/enslaved and because misguided patriotism is so rampant in this country.Are you seriously comparing the United States of America to a country that literally only exists because the colonial powers drew its borders the wrong way?Yes I am. And that is not relevant to anything whatsoever. If anything, that'd strengthen the legitimacy of the US military since they've existed since even before the US officially declared independence.In all probability, this is how wars against countries' populace tend to go down. There are mass protests, then the Government refuses to compromise, then they open fire on the protests and soon after that, shit really goes down. And in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.I honestly don't disagree that if there ever is a civil war scenario in the United States, people probably won't know what's going on. I think, though, it'd be because of the mass media. Painting any opposition as "domestic right-wing extremists" is not hard with corporate media that presents your average idiot with the illusion of honesty.I can see a lot of military defections, though, unless this hypothetical government is leftist in nature. I know grunts, they'll know what's up. American military culture is not comparable to any Arab military, and our populace is much more interconnected than Syrians. Either way, having lots of rooty tooty point and shooties around wouldn't exactly be a huge disadvantage for a resistance movement. I also know several grunts in the military, and they're really loyal to the Government, and they would seem willing to go along to war against their own people, just like most military grunts and officers would.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:39:26 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:35:04 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:32:56 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:27:09 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:19:39 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.>implying the US military isn't made up of 50% crazy rednecks>implying enlisted who joined for college money would actually be willing to fire on American citizens that aren't MuslimsOh come on. Let's look at Syria's military during their little equivalent to your hypothetical scenario. 75% of their army are poorly trained, poorly equipped, unmotivated conscripts who went to war against their own war more blatantly than the US could ever do it, and only a third of their Army ever defected or sabotaged their own efforts. And 4 years later, they're holding their own ground against the 40% of the populace who wants to see them dead. God, they're so bad, that any citizen who can get their hands on an AK is pretty much equal to one of their soldiers.If one of the most shittiest and poorly motivated militaries on Earth was able to hold together in blatant war against the citizens they're supposed to be protecting with only a third of them defecting (and defections have stopped), what makes you think one of the most motivated, best-equipped, and overall best military couldn't do the same? Not to mention peer pressure within the military to stay in. Why should soldiers abandon all their friends they've made in the military, and pretty much their entire life, just to join some insurgent movement which could be better or worse than what they're in right now.FFS, if the US military went to war against its own people, you'd probably have a recruitment spike because people don't want to be killed/enslaved and because misguided patriotism is so rampant in this country.Are you seriously comparing the United States of America to a country that literally only exists because the colonial powers drew its borders the wrong way?Yes I am. And that is not relevant to anything whatsoever. If anything, that'd strengthen the legitimacy of the US military since they've existed since even before the US officially declared independence.In all probability, this is how wars against countries' populace tend to go down. There are mass protests, then the Government refuses to compromise, then they open fire on the protests and soon after that, shit really goes down. And in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.I honestly don't disagree that if there ever is a civil war scenario in the United States, people probably won't know what's going on. I think, though, it'd be because of the mass media. Painting any opposition as "domestic right-wing extremists" is not hard with corporate media that presents your average idiot with the illusion of honesty.I can see a lot of military defections, though, unless this hypothetical government is leftist in nature. I know grunts, they'll know what's up. American military culture is not comparable to any Arab military, and our populace is much more interconnected than Syrians. Either way, having lots of rooty tooty point and shooties around wouldn't exactly be a huge disadvantage for a resistance movement.
Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:35:04 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:32:56 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:27:09 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:19:39 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.>implying the US military isn't made up of 50% crazy rednecks>implying enlisted who joined for college money would actually be willing to fire on American citizens that aren't MuslimsOh come on. Let's look at Syria's military during their little equivalent to your hypothetical scenario. 75% of their army are poorly trained, poorly equipped, unmotivated conscripts who went to war against their own war more blatantly than the US could ever do it, and only a third of their Army ever defected or sabotaged their own efforts. And 4 years later, they're holding their own ground against the 40% of the populace who wants to see them dead. God, they're so bad, that any citizen who can get their hands on an AK is pretty much equal to one of their soldiers.If one of the most shittiest and poorly motivated militaries on Earth was able to hold together in blatant war against the citizens they're supposed to be protecting with only a third of them defecting (and defections have stopped), what makes you think one of the most motivated, best-equipped, and overall best military couldn't do the same? Not to mention peer pressure within the military to stay in. Why should soldiers abandon all their friends they've made in the military, and pretty much their entire life, just to join some insurgent movement which could be better or worse than what they're in right now.FFS, if the US military went to war against its own people, you'd probably have a recruitment spike because people don't want to be killed/enslaved and because misguided patriotism is so rampant in this country.Are you seriously comparing the United States of America to a country that literally only exists because the colonial powers drew its borders the wrong way?Yes I am. And that is not relevant to anything whatsoever. If anything, that'd strengthen the legitimacy of the US military since they've existed since even before the US officially declared independence.In all probability, this is how wars against countries' populace tend to go down. There are mass protests, then the Government refuses to compromise, then they open fire on the protests and soon after that, shit really goes down. And in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:32:56 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:27:09 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:19:39 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.>implying the US military isn't made up of 50% crazy rednecks>implying enlisted who joined for college money would actually be willing to fire on American citizens that aren't MuslimsOh come on. Let's look at Syria's military during their little equivalent to your hypothetical scenario. 75% of their army are poorly trained, poorly equipped, unmotivated conscripts who went to war against their own war more blatantly than the US could ever do it, and only a third of their Army ever defected or sabotaged their own efforts. And 4 years later, they're holding their own ground against the 40% of the populace who wants to see them dead. God, they're so bad, that any citizen who can get their hands on an AK is pretty much equal to one of their soldiers.If one of the most shittiest and poorly motivated militaries on Earth was able to hold together in blatant war against the citizens they're supposed to be protecting with only a third of them defecting (and defections have stopped), what makes you think one of the most motivated, best-equipped, and overall best military couldn't do the same? Not to mention peer pressure within the military to stay in. Why should soldiers abandon all their friends they've made in the military, and pretty much their entire life, just to join some insurgent movement which could be better or worse than what they're in right now.FFS, if the US military went to war against its own people, you'd probably have a recruitment spike because people don't want to be killed/enslaved and because misguided patriotism is so rampant in this country.Are you seriously comparing the United States of America to a country that literally only exists because the colonial powers drew its borders the wrong way?
Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:27:09 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:19:39 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.>implying the US military isn't made up of 50% crazy rednecks>implying enlisted who joined for college money would actually be willing to fire on American citizens that aren't MuslimsOh come on. Let's look at Syria's military during their little equivalent to your hypothetical scenario. 75% of their army are poorly trained, poorly equipped, unmotivated conscripts who went to war against their own war more blatantly than the US could ever do it, and only a third of their Army ever defected or sabotaged their own efforts. And 4 years later, they're holding their own ground against the 40% of the populace who wants to see them dead. God, they're so bad, that any citizen who can get their hands on an AK is pretty much equal to one of their soldiers.If one of the most shittiest and poorly motivated militaries on Earth was able to hold together in blatant war against the citizens they're supposed to be protecting with only a third of them defecting (and defections have stopped), what makes you think one of the most motivated, best-equipped, and overall best military couldn't do the same? Not to mention peer pressure within the military to stay in. Why should soldiers abandon all their friends they've made in the military, and pretty much their entire life, just to join some insurgent movement which could be better or worse than what they're in right now.FFS, if the US military went to war against its own people, you'd probably have a recruitment spike because people don't want to be killed/enslaved and because misguided patriotism is so rampant in this country.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:19:39 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.>implying the US military isn't made up of 50% crazy rednecks>implying enlisted who joined for college money would actually be willing to fire on American citizens that aren't Muslims
Quote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.
The US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:53:48 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:48:36 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:39:26 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:35:04 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:32:56 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 26, 2015, 07:27:09 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 07:19:39 PMQuote from: Maverick on March 26, 2015, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 26, 2015, 06:21:15 PMThe US military has prepared for literally every contingency, even a goddamn Zombie Apocalypse. What gives you any idea that some crappy conspiracy theorist militia could take down the strongest military on Earth?Because the U.S. military is composed of those crappy conspiracy theorists and relies on them for funding.Uh, what?I think that the best-trained, best-equipped, and second largest military force in the world could defeat 500,000 to a million angry redneck insurgents with shotguns.>implying the US military isn't made up of 50% crazy rednecks>implying enlisted who joined for college money would actually be willing to fire on American citizens that aren't MuslimsOh come on. Let's look at Syria's military during their little equivalent to your hypothetical scenario. 75% of their army are poorly trained, poorly equipped, unmotivated conscripts who went to war against their own war more blatantly than the US could ever do it, and only a third of their Army ever defected or sabotaged their own efforts. And 4 years later, they're holding their own ground against the 40% of the populace who wants to see them dead. God, they're so bad, that any citizen who can get their hands on an AK is pretty much equal to one of their soldiers.If one of the most shittiest and poorly motivated militaries on Earth was able to hold together in blatant war against the citizens they're supposed to be protecting with only a third of them defecting (and defections have stopped), what makes you think one of the most motivated, best-equipped, and overall best military couldn't do the same? Not to mention peer pressure within the military to stay in. Why should soldiers abandon all their friends they've made in the military, and pretty much their entire life, just to join some insurgent movement which could be better or worse than what they're in right now.FFS, if the US military went to war against its own people, you'd probably have a recruitment spike because people don't want to be killed/enslaved and because misguided patriotism is so rampant in this country.Are you seriously comparing the United States of America to a country that literally only exists because the colonial powers drew its borders the wrong way?Yes I am. And that is not relevant to anything whatsoever. If anything, that'd strengthen the legitimacy of the US military since they've existed since even before the US officially declared independence.In all probability, this is how wars against countries' populace tend to go down. There are mass protests, then the Government refuses to compromise, then they open fire on the protests and soon after that, shit really goes down. And in some Black Helicopter-type scenario (which is what you're probably thinking of), the US would most likely cut out mass media (which is incredibly easy to do), so the population would be deprived of information. And information is power as we all know.I honestly don't disagree that if there ever is a civil war scenario in the United States, people probably won't know what's going on. I think, though, it'd be because of the mass media. Painting any opposition as "domestic right-wing extremists" is not hard with corporate media that presents your average idiot with the illusion of honesty.I can see a lot of military defections, though, unless this hypothetical government is leftist in nature. I know grunts, they'll know what's up. American military culture is not comparable to any Arab military, and our populace is much more interconnected than Syrians. Either way, having lots of rooty tooty point and shooties around wouldn't exactly be a huge disadvantage for a resistance movement. I also know several grunts in the military, and they're really loyal to the Government, and they would seem willing to go along to war against their own people, just like most military grunts and officers would.Then those people are evil. The people in the military are not there to serve the will of the American Government, they are there to serve the will of The People. The American Government commands the military, sure.. but who is suppose to command the government? The People.Deploying soldiers to fight off geared and armed up civilians only proves there is corruption afoot and a hostile, domestic take over being conducted.
QuoteA 13-year-old boy in Florida fatally shot his 6-year-old brother, wounded his 16-year-old brother and then killed himself on Wednesday during an argument over food, authorities said.
A 13-year-old boy in Florida fatally shot his 6-year-old brother, wounded his 16-year-old brother and then killed himself on Wednesday during an argument over food, authorities said.
If guns are outlawed, that's just gonna increase crime rate. If people want guns, they will get one. You are just disarming the citizens. What needs to happen is extended back round checks, including mental history, crimes you have committed, and even your salary.
"We need more guns in the US!!"
