So a facebook group for anarchists which I used to follow just used this word. What's wrong with the word transphobia? Is the social justice left becoming so allergic to the concept that white men could have troubles that they have to twist the terminology to reflect that?
People are starting to see through the bullshit of the transphobia card so they've upped their game by moving up a tier on the oppression olympics scale.
Quote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 09:56:20 AMPeople are starting to see through the bullshit of the transphobia card so they've upped their game by moving up a tier on the oppression olympics scale."Man am I tired of minorities telling me to stop throwing slurs at them" - Straight, cis white people
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:26:42 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 09:56:20 AMPeople are starting to see through the bullshit of the transphobia card so they've upped their game by moving up a tier on the oppression olympics scale."Man am I tired of minorities telling me to stop throwing slurs at them" - Straight, cis white peopleThe term 'slurs' being subjective of course. What a slur is to progressives is not considered a slur to the rest of us."Man, Caitlyn Jenner is a fucking hypocritical, mendacious douche and should not be used as a rallying figure for the trans community.""WAT LE FUG U FUCKING INSENSITIVE TRANSPHOBE USING VALID CRITICISM AS A MEANS TO DISPARAGE A STRONK WOMYN. TRANS PEOPLE HAVING TO PUT UP WITH ALL THESE SLURS SMH"Yeah, no. Fuck off.
Quote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 10:35:30 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:26:42 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 09:56:20 AMPeople are starting to see through the bullshit of the transphobia card so they've upped their game by moving up a tier on the oppression olympics scale."Man am I tired of minorities telling me to stop throwing slurs at them" - Straight, cis white peopleThe term 'slurs' being subjective of course. What a slur is to progressives is not considered a slur to the rest of us."Man, Caitlyn Jenner is a fucking hypocritical, mendacious douche and should not be used as a rallying figure for the trans community.""WAT LE FUG U FUCKING INSENSITIVE TRANSPHOBE USING VALID CRITICISM AS A MEANS TO DISPARAGE A STRONK WOMYN. TRANS PEOPLE HAVING TO PUT UP WITH ALL THESE SLURS SMH"Yeah, no. Fuck off.Don't be a doofus, doofusNobody says that that's using any type of slurs or being transphobicIt's when people say, "Man, BRUCE Jenner is pretty ugly, huh?!!?" and then totally deny that what they're saying has anything to do with disparaging trans people that it's considered transphobic
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:38:25 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 10:35:30 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:26:42 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 09:56:20 AMPeople are starting to see through the bullshit of the transphobia card so they've upped their game by moving up a tier on the oppression olympics scale."Man am I tired of minorities telling me to stop throwing slurs at them" - Straight, cis white peopleThe term 'slurs' being subjective of course. What a slur is to progressives is not considered a slur to the rest of us."Man, Caitlyn Jenner is a fucking hypocritical, mendacious douche and should not be used as a rallying figure for the trans community.""WAT LE FUG U FUCKING INSENSITIVE TRANSPHOBE USING VALID CRITICISM AS A MEANS TO DISPARAGE A STRONK WOMYN. TRANS PEOPLE HAVING TO PUT UP WITH ALL THESE SLURS SMH"Yeah, no. Fuck off.Don't be a doofus, doofusNobody says that that's using any type of slurs or being transphobicIt's when people say, "Man, BRUCE Jenner is pretty ugly, huh?!!?" and then totally deny that what they're saying has anything to do with disparaging trans people that it's considered transphobicMy point being is that using "transphobia" as a means to effectively shoot down anything even remotely critical to say about transgender individuals or the trans community in general is insufferable as fuck. Serious allegations of transphobia/racism/sexism etc should not be used like a buzzer on a quiz show when someone says something that makes you feel uncomfortable for a couple seconds.
I've never seen anyone pull any kind of "card" for a non-legitimate reason, tbh. Well, okay, maybe not never, but the vast majority of these kinds of claims are really just strawmen.
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:48:30 AMI've never seen anyone pull any kind of "card" for a non-legitimate reason, tbh. Well, okay, maybe not never, but the vast majority of these kinds of claims are really just strawmen.Charlie made an entire thread doing it last night. Seems pretty common to me.
Quote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 10:44:56 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:38:25 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 10:35:30 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:26:42 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 09:56:20 AMPeople are starting to see through the bullshit of the transphobia card so they've upped their game by moving up a tier on the oppression olympics scale."Man am I tired of minorities telling me to stop throwing slurs at them" - Straight, cis white peopleThe term 'slurs' being subjective of course. What a slur is to progressives is not considered a slur to the rest of us."Man, Caitlyn Jenner is a fucking hypocritical, mendacious douche and should not be used as a rallying figure for the trans community.""WAT LE FUG U FUCKING INSENSITIVE TRANSPHOBE USING VALID CRITICISM AS A MEANS TO DISPARAGE A STRONK WOMYN. TRANS PEOPLE HAVING TO PUT UP WITH ALL THESE SLURS SMH"Yeah, no. Fuck off.Don't be a doofus, doofusNobody says that that's using any type of slurs or being transphobicIt's when people say, "Man, BRUCE Jenner is pretty ugly, huh?!!?" and then totally deny that what they're saying has anything to do with disparaging trans people that it's considered transphobicMy point being is that using "transphobia" as a means to effectively shoot down anything even remotely critical to say about transgender individuals or the trans community in general is insufferable as fuck. Serious allegations of transphobia/racism/sexism etc should not be used like a buzzer on a quiz show when someone says something that makes you feel uncomfortable for a couple seconds.Not...not really, fam.I've never seen anyone pull any kind of "card" for a non-legitimate reason, tbh. Well, okay, maybe not never, but the vast majority of these kinds of claims are really just strawmen.
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:48:30 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 10:44:56 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:38:25 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 10:35:30 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 10:26:42 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 09:56:20 AMPeople are starting to see through the bullshit of the transphobia card so they've upped their game by moving up a tier on the oppression olympics scale."Man am I tired of minorities telling me to stop throwing slurs at them" - Straight, cis white peopleThe term 'slurs' being subjective of course. What a slur is to progressives is not considered a slur to the rest of us."Man, Caitlyn Jenner is a fucking hypocritical, mendacious douche and should not be used as a rallying figure for the trans community.""WAT LE FUG U FUCKING INSENSITIVE TRANSPHOBE USING VALID CRITICISM AS A MEANS TO DISPARAGE A STRONK WOMYN. TRANS PEOPLE HAVING TO PUT UP WITH ALL THESE SLURS SMH"Yeah, no. Fuck off.Don't be a doofus, doofusNobody says that that's using any type of slurs or being transphobicIt's when people say, "Man, BRUCE Jenner is pretty ugly, huh?!!?" and then totally deny that what they're saying has anything to do with disparaging trans people that it's considered transphobicMy point being is that using "transphobia" as a means to effectively shoot down anything even remotely critical to say about transgender individuals or the trans community in general is insufferable as fuck. Serious allegations of transphobia/racism/sexism etc should not be used like a buzzer on a quiz show when someone says something that makes you feel uncomfortable for a couple seconds.Not...not really, fam.I've never seen anyone pull any kind of "card" for a non-legitimate reason, tbh. Well, okay, maybe not never, but the vast majority of these kinds of claims are really just strawmen.http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/nov/18/transgender-activists-protest-germaine-greer-lecture-cardiff-universityhttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/peter-tatchell-twitter-mob-who-vowed-kill-me-over-mary-beard-transgender-letter-have-it-all-wrong-1488351http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11852887/Lawyer-accused-of-sexism-after-complimenting-barrister-on-stunning-LinkedIn-picture.htmlHere all week desu.
"Greer insisted in the bluntest of terms that she did not accept that post-operative men were women. “I don’t believe a woman is a man without a cock,” she said. “You can beat me over the head with a baseball bat. It still won’t make me change my mind.”Yeah, pretty transphobic, that is
And the second is just "muh freeze peach". Having a right to free speech doesn't mean you have a right to absolution from criticism.
Not seeing your point, here.
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 11:00:02 AM"Greer insisted in the bluntest of terms that she did not accept that post-operative men were women. “I don’t believe a woman is a man without a cock,” she said. “You can beat me over the head with a baseball bat. It still won’t make me change my mind.”Yeah, pretty transphobic, that is"Ms Greer did say she would be prepared to use female pronouns when referring to someone, if that was their preference, "as a courtesy".omg having a different opinion while still aligning with trans people sensibilities out of courteousness? Literally worse than le german moustache man of the 1940s fam.
Quote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 11:07:08 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 11:00:02 AM"Greer insisted in the bluntest of terms that she did not accept that post-operative men were women. “I don’t believe a woman is a man without a cock,” she said. “You can beat me over the head with a baseball bat. It still won’t make me change my mind.”Yeah, pretty transphobic, that is"Ms Greer did say she would be prepared to use female pronouns when referring to someone, if that was their preference, "as a courtesy".omg having a different opinion while still aligning with trans people sensibilities out of courteousness? Literally worse than le german moustache man of the 1940s fam. Nobody's saying anything about hitler but you, bruhAnd if a man was an outspoken racist but said that he would refer to blacks as people out of "courtesy," then he's still a racist fuck.Like, treating someone else as a human being isn't " a courtesy". You're not going out of your way to respect them. You're treating them like any other human being and acting like acting as you're supposed to is doing some poor oppressed minority such a huge favor gives off some real White Man's Burden vibes.As for the second thing, yeah, incitement to violence is shit, but both sides do that. I don't condone it, but it's not like it's only the "progressives" get that. People mock Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn for saying they receive death threats all the time, but as soon as it's on the other side of the equation, death threats are suddenly a legitimate problem.
You guys aren't winning yourselves any allies by lumping people like me who aren't really comfortable accepting the trans thing into the group of "LOL UR ACTUALLY A MAN LMAO".
The big difference being there fam is that the trans issue is still a pretty contentious debate in the dialogue of society. Not everyone agrees exactly what it is and what should be the ideal solution as there are myriad conflicting scientific and academic papers surrounding it. That isn't the case with race. Scientific racism has been pretty much put to bed sans within a few bumfuck corners of the globe that don't represent the majority of what people think.
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 11:23:51 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 11:19:41 AMThe big difference being there fam is that the trans issue is still a pretty contentious debate in the dialogue of society. Not everyone agrees exactly what it is and what should be the ideal solution as there are myriad conflicting scientific and academic papers surrounding it. That isn't the case with race. Scientific racism has been pretty much put to bed sans within a few bumfuck corners of the globe that don't represent the majority of what people think.So then...since it's an up-and-coming issue, we should just deal with bigotry surrounding it?So ten years ago when gay rights were in the spotlight, a person calling gays mentally ill would be fine so long as he "put up" with them?That isn't what he said at all. You're intentionally misunderstanding what he's saying and interpreting for hostility.
Quote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 11:19:41 AMThe big difference being there fam is that the trans issue is still a pretty contentious debate in the dialogue of society. Not everyone agrees exactly what it is and what should be the ideal solution as there are myriad conflicting scientific and academic papers surrounding it. That isn't the case with race. Scientific racism has been pretty much put to bed sans within a few bumfuck corners of the globe that don't represent the majority of what people think.So then...since it's an up-and-coming issue, we should just deal with bigotry surrounding it?So ten years ago when gay rights were in the spotlight, a person calling gays mentally ill would be fine so long as he "put up" with them?
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 11:29:24 AMQuote from: challengerX on February 21, 2016, 11:28:01 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 11:23:51 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 11:19:41 AMThe big difference being there fam is that the trans issue is still a pretty contentious debate in the dialogue of society. Not everyone agrees exactly what it is and what should be the ideal solution as there are myriad conflicting scientific and academic papers surrounding it. That isn't the case with race. Scientific racism has been pretty much put to bed sans within a few bumfuck corners of the globe that don't represent the majority of what people think.So then...since it's an up-and-coming issue, we should just deal with bigotry surrounding it?So ten years ago when gay rights were in the spotlight, a person calling gays mentally ill would be fine so long as he "put up" with them?That isn't what he said at all. You're intentionally misunderstanding what he's saying and interpreting for hostility.Mordo's a big boy, Chally, and unlike you he can actually put together a coherent argumentLOL"Better start insulting everybody, that will SURELY make me look right"
Quote from: challengerX on February 21, 2016, 11:28:01 AMQuote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 11:23:51 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 21, 2016, 11:19:41 AMThe big difference being there fam is that the trans issue is still a pretty contentious debate in the dialogue of society. Not everyone agrees exactly what it is and what should be the ideal solution as there are myriad conflicting scientific and academic papers surrounding it. That isn't the case with race. Scientific racism has been pretty much put to bed sans within a few bumfuck corners of the globe that don't represent the majority of what people think.So then...since it's an up-and-coming issue, we should just deal with bigotry surrounding it?So ten years ago when gay rights were in the spotlight, a person calling gays mentally ill would be fine so long as he "put up" with them?That isn't what he said at all. You're intentionally misunderstanding what he's saying and interpreting for hostility.Mordo's a big boy, Chally, and unlike you he can actually put together a coherent argument
Like, treating someone else as a human being isn't " a courtesy". You're not going out of your way to respect them. You're treating them like any other human being
Quote from: Cindy on February 21, 2016, 11:10:07 AMLike, treating someone else as a human being isn't " a courtesy". You're not going out of your way to respect them. You're treating them like any other human being As far as I'm aware, neither Chally nor Mordo see or treat transpeople as sub-human, so that's not the issue.
"Transmisogyny"
