"I hate what marijuana does to my students"

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From the outside observer it can appear that weed has an effect on a persons motivation, but really that view comes from our own bias for what we think is best for that person. I know somebody who smokes weed all day everyday, and he has more motivation than me and I hardly ever smoke it. He's creating his own music and doing what he enjoys.

Weed has the ability to redirect your motivation to other things, not kill it. That's why some people who get into weed drop out of school, not because they're lazy degenerates but because they've decided that going to school is no longer satisfying or important to them. I completely sympathize with these people, I mean, school is bullshit for the most part.



 
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Marijuana did nothing wrong


 
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From the outside observer it can appear that weed has an effect on a persons motivation, but really that view comes from our own bias for what we think is best for that person. I know somebody who smokes weed all day everyday, and he has more motivation than me and I hardly ever smoke it. He's creating his own music and doing what he enjoys.

Weed has the ability to redirect your motivation to other things, not kill it. That's why some people who get into weed drop out of school, not because they're lazy degenerates but because they've decided that going to school is no longer satisfying or important to them. I completely sympathize with these people, I mean, school is bullshit for the most part.
"I'm not saying they're lazy degenerates, but they're lazy degenerates."


 
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Losers have a predisposition to be losers. Just so happens that losers smoke weed.


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It's just like any other substane. Moderation is key.

This. Pretty much anything is bad for you in excess, even water.


 
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It's just like any other substane. Moderation is key.

This. Pretty much anything is bad for you in excess, even water.

What about memes?


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It's just like any other substane. Moderation is key.

This. Pretty much anything is bad for you in excess, even water.

What about memes?

Of course. Ryle is a good example of what excessive memes does to a man.


 
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It's just like any other substane. Moderation is key.

This. Pretty much anything is bad for you in excess, even water.

What about memes?

Of course. Ryle is a good example of what excessive memes does to a man.

I see no problem here then.


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Why is it that, even in the Serious forum, it's difficult for some people to sustain a serious discussion about cannabis. So much immaturity in this thread from so few people.

Anyway, if a personal anecdote means anything here, I have been regularly consuming cannabis for a little over a year  and can honestly say that I am happy where my life is right now. Steady job, good grades, and a large circle of friends that I have pooled throughout my university stay. Can't say I had any of that in high school.

But, in regards to the OP, I am fully under the notion that cannabis enhances an individual's personality when used responsibly. If someone's personality is attributed to enjoying lazing around and doing nothing, well, they're going to love THC's sedating and pain-relieving effects sitting on the couch. However, if someone's personality is attributed to finding enjoyment through socialization, self-improvement, or any inherently productive tasks, nothing will change with cannabis use in the picture. I have enjoyed running as a form of exercise ever since high school, but never have I experienced a more enjoyable experience exercising than vaping some oil (AKA dabs, look it up) before going for a run. Especially when I go through the trails on my university's campus.

However, I digress. Ultimately, it's the person, not cannabis, at fault for fucking up their life. It is absolutely possible to have a fruitful and productive life with moderate use. End of story.


 
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if a personal anecdote means anything here
it doesn't

fuck moderation
fuck cannabis
Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 12:02:10 AM by Fuddy-duddy


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if a personal anecdote means anything here
it doesn't

fuck moderation
fuck cannabis
Mhmm, continue to disregard everything that I say solely because of that. You do realize how annoyingly thick-headed you are, right?


 
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you do realize how meaningless your arguments are, right

just more platitudes about moderation


 
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if a personal anecdote means anything here
it doesn't

fuck moderation
fuck cannabis

Well, I'd argue that his does mean something. Since we're all talking based off personal reference points here on the subject at hand. His personal anecdote is no more or less valid of a viewpoint than the rest shared here.


 
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you do realize how meaningless your arguments are, right

just more platitudes about moderation

Just for curiosity here, how exactly would you consider his arguments to be meaningless?

Meaningless how?


 
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you do realize how meaningless your arguments are, right

just more platitudes about moderation
Just for curiosity here, how exactly would you consider his arguments to be meaningless?

Meaningless how?
just more platitudes about moderation


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you do realize how meaningless your arguments are, right

just more platitudes about moderation
I'm presenting the fact that it is 100% possible for people to live a fruitful life and consume cannabis every now and then.
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But, in regards to the OP, I am fully under the notion that cannabis enhances an individual's personality when used responsibly. If someone's personality is attributed to enjoying lazing around and doing nothing, well, they're going to love THC's sedating and pain-relieving effects sitting on the couch. However, if someone's personality is attributed to finding enjoyment through socialization, self-improvement, or any inherently productive tasks, nothing will change with cannabis use in the picture.
I then built upon that with a reference on how I have loved running longer than I have loved cannabis, but cannabis enhances this experience for me and makes it much more enjoyable.

I have yet to see you, or anyone, counter that point.


 
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cannabis enhances this experience for me and makes it much more enjoyable.
It shouldn't. The fact that it does is pathetic. The fact that you need it just to enhance an experience that you enjoy is fucking loathsome.

It was a dumbfuck piece of shit post that deserved nothing more than complete dismissal.


 
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you do realize how meaningless your arguments are, right

just more platitudes about moderation
Just for curiosity here, how exactly would you consider his arguments to be meaningless?

Meaningless how?
just more platitudes about moderation

If you're not going to put effort into explaining why then I'll take the time to mention to you that moderation does not mean stopping. Moderation means easing away from extreme spectrums.

Second, you never answered my question, yet again, on whether moderation would be better over total abandonment of self control to extremes. Let's assume that abstinence is off the table here, because people are incredibly stubborn to give up what makes them happy. Would you not agree that if abstinence was off the table, that the next best thing would be moderation?

Third. You have to remember that your viewpoint isn't the only one in existence. His point of reference isn't meaningless because he has a point of reference that you don't. You've never gotten stoned before. You haven't lived a life that involves pot.

And therefore, your point of view on the subject will forever be lacking because you don't actually have any experience with it. You just have the word of others to go off of. I could could tell you every single day what it's like to smash your hand with a hammer. And, I could get multiple people, every day, to tell you what it's like to smash your hand with a hammer.

But until you've actually smashed your own hand with a hammer, you won't truly ever understand it. I'm not saying don't knock till you try it.

But you have to consider that he's got more experience than you on the subject, for good, or bad.


 
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If you're not going to put effort into explaining why then I'll take the time to mention to you that moderation does not mean stopping. Moderation means easing away from extreme spectrums.
No shit.

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Second, you never answered my question, yet again, on whether moderation would be better over total abandonment of self control to extremes. Let's assume that abstinence is off the table here, because people are incredibly stubborn to give up what makes them happy. Would you not agree that if abstinence was off the table, that the next best thing would be moderation?
I didn't answer the question because it insults my intelligence.

Abstinence is never off the table.

You are never forced to use cannabis recreationally, so you should never use it recreationally. Ever.
"Moderation" isn't good enough.

NEVER. USE IT.

EVER.
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But you have to consider that he's got more experience than you on the subject, for good, or bad.
So he's biased.


 
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“I hate pot. I hate it even more than hard drugs. I’ve taught high school for 25 years and I hate what marijuana does to my students. It goes beyond missing homework assignments. My students become less curious when they start smoking pot. I’ve seen it time and time again. People say pot makes you more creative, but from what I’ve seen, it narrows my students' minds until they only reference the world in relation to the drug. They’ll say things like: “I went to the beach and got so high,” or “I went to a concert and got so high.” They start choosing their friends based on the drug. I hate when people say that it’s just experimenting. Because from what I’ve seen, it’s when my students stop experimenting.”


this is pretty true tbh. When my friend group started smoking, pot quickly came to dominate every aspect of our outings. We would literally just meet up to go smoke pot every time we hung out, and on the occasion we ran out of the stuff, we would sit in the basement like we had nothing to do.

I remember pulling ye old placebo experiment on my m8s during an otherwise weedless day and watching my friends act as if they huffed pounds of the stuff the whole night before revealing that they hadn't smoked in 3 weeks. After that the experience seemed so pointless and just a waste of money and a clean criminal record. instead of smoking for a month we'd save up for a concert or someshit and enjoy each others company without the middleman.



I'm not saying the actual experience itself is bad though, half of my friends still smoke, albeit less frequently and depending on how high you want to get weed helps relieve pressure and anxiety in life while still maintaining a conscious degree of self control... and in my experience, the feeling can be reached without the drug altogether.


as with anything, moderation is key.. I've always hated being dependent on something, weather that be weed or coffee.

 


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cannabis enhances this experience for me and makes it much more enjoyable.
It shouldn't. The fact that it does is pathetic. The fact that you need it just to enhance an experience that you enjoy is fucking loathsome.

It was a dumbfuck piece of shit post that deserved nothing more than complete dismissal.
Except I don't need it, and I never mentioned anywhere that I do. I've taken multiple breaks in usage that have lasted over two weeks and have never suffered addictive tendencies. Consider the fact that I run 4-6 times a week, and maintained that throughout my periods of sobriety.

Honestly, what is so bad about making something that I already love to do, even better?
Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 12:40:25 AM by 🍄Tryptameme🍄


 
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If you're not going to put effort into explaining why then I'll take the time to mention to you that moderation does not mean stopping. Moderation means easing away from extreme spectrums.
No shit.

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Second, you never answered my question, yet again, on whether moderation would be better over total abandonment of self control to extremes. Let's assume that abstinence is off the table here, because people are incredibly stubborn to give up what makes them happy. Would you not agree that if abstinence was off the table, that the next best thing would be moderation?
I didn't answer the question because it insults my intelligence.

Abstinence is never off the table.

You are never forced to use cannabis recreationally, so you should never use it recreationally. Ever.
"Moderation" isn't good enough.

NEVER. USE IT.

EVER.
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But you have to consider that he's got more experience than you on the subject, for good, or bad.
So he's biased.

1. Explain to me why you shouldn't use it, ever. I know he's not forced to use it. And I doubt anybody is forcing him. It's a choice.

2. If he's biased from experience then technically you're under-qualified to make a complete call in judgement due to never having any personal experience with it.


 
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Except I don't need it
I said that you needed it to make it better. Not that you needed it in general.

But if you don't need pot to make that experience better, WHY SMOKE POT.


 
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1. Explain to me why you shouldn't use it, ever. I know he's not forced to use it. And I doubt anybody is forcing him. It's a choice.
Because it's a fucking retarded choice. I shouldn't have to explain why mind-altering drugs are fucking idiotic.
They alter your mind.

That's about as stupid as you can fucking get.

Oh boy, here comes some dumbass fucking video game comparison.
"But Verb! Video games alter the mind, too!! Doesn't that make you a hypocrite, Verb??"

No, fuck you. Video games don't alter your fucking mind. Not in the same way that drugs do.

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2. If he's biased from experience then technically you're under-qualified to make a complete call in judgement due to never having any personal experience with it.
I don't need to touch a flame to know that it's hot. Sorry. I just don't.


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Except I don't need it
I said that you needed it to make it better. Not that you needed it in general.

But if you don't need pot to make that experience better, WHY SMOKE POT.
Well, I'd like to start by saying that I'm trying to quit smoking because of the lung damage. I know there are studies that say smoking cannabis hasn't shown any long-term negative effects to the lungs, but I just can't rationally see how that's possible. So, I vape cannabis oil.

Anyway, I smoke pot to help take the edge off after a long day of class and work, or socially on the weekends at parties and with friends. It also helps me relax during stressful times and eases my anxiety substantially.

I also love the effect it has on my creativity, and it shows through the grades I receive on my papers throughout college. It's a key that unlocks a higher state of mind.


 
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Anyway, I smoke pot to help take the edge off after a long day of class and work, or socially on the weekends at parties and with friends. It also helps me relax during stressful times and eases my anxiety substantially.

I also love the effect it has on my creativity, and it shows through the grades I receive on my papers throughout college. It's a key that unlocks a higher state of mind.
Yeah, sure it does. Placebo effect, much?

And if that were true, that's just even more pathetic. It's pathetic that you need pot to unlock a higher state of mind.
It's pathetic that you need a drug just to say relaxed and to alleviate anxiety.
P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C.

Why is that I don't need pot to be creative, but you do? Am I better than you? I would certainly hope not.
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1. Explain to me why you shouldn't use it, ever. I know he's not forced to use it. And I doubt anybody is forcing him. It's a choice.
Because it's a fucking retarded choice. I shouldn't have to explain why mind-altering drugs are fucking idiotic.
They alter your mind.

That's about as stupid as you can fucking get.

Oh boy, here comes some dumbass fucking video game comparison.
"But Verb! Video games alter the mind, too!! Doesn't that make you a hypocrite, Verb??"

No, fuck you. Video games don't alter your fucking mind. Not in the same way that drugs do.

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2. If he's biased from experience then technically you're under-qualified to make a complete call in judgement due to never having any personal experience with it.
I don't need to touch a flame to know that it's hot. Sorry. I just don't.

ey yo verb, do you consider the mind altering drug caffeine on the same caliber as marijuana?


 
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ey yo verb, do you consider the mind altering drug caffeine on the same caliber as marijuana?
No. I still think consuming caffeine is stupid, but relatively speaking, caffeine isn't anywhere near as potent as marijuana.


 
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1. Explain to me why you shouldn't use it, ever. I know he's not forced to use it. And I doubt anybody is forcing him. It's a choice.
Because it's a fucking retarded choice. I shouldn't have to explain why mind-altering drugs are fucking idiotic.
They alter your mind.

That's about as stupid as you can fucking get.

Oh boy, here comes some dumbass fucking video game comparison.
"But Verb! Video games alter the mind, too!! Doesn't that make you a hypocrite, Verb??"

No, fuck you. Video games don't alter your fucking mind. Not in the same way that drugs do.

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2. If he's biased from experience then technically you're under-qualified to make a complete call in judgement due to never having any personal experience with it.
I don't need to touch a flame to know that it's hot. Sorry. I just don't.

You experience an emotional stimulus from video games, correct? That's an alteration to mood. Granted, you are right on that, it's not the same level as a drug.

But how about we discuss addiction? Because that exists in the video game world. How about the notable addiction and draw to dating sims? Now that's a pretty damn big alteration to somebody's mind, isn't it? How about temper tantrums in kids when you try to take their games away once you've let them get too hooked? Wouldn't you say that's a pretty damn drastic alteration?

And the second point.You might not need to touch a flame to know it's hot. But that's the plain paper explanation. It's not ever going to sink into your mind, exactly, why, not to touch a flame until you've been burned. Because you notice, after you've burned, you're suddenly very much more aware of fire. You're actively careful of it and you now have a complete, full understanding of why you don't touch fire.

And third. Your point about being strait cut or bust up above.

You're aware that you're using the internet now right? You're likely in the proximity of a router that's sending out electromagnetic waves in the gigahertz frequency, which has proven to have mild negative effects on organic functions of living things. Now multiply that. You probably have a cell phone too. That operates on a slightly lower frequency, but none the less, a frequency of radiation.

So, if we're talking straight cut, then logically, at the risk of being slowly damaged by multiple points of radiation emission you'd discard all electronic wi-fi devices that you own.

But you won't. Because you like using them to a degree. Logically speaking, it's pretty damn stupid to damage yourself now isn't it? And there it is. Choice.
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