I know very little about economics an shit, but surely everyone should at least have the right to a roof and basic food and water. I have no idea how much that costs and stuff, but shouldn't that just be basic?

I know very little about economics an shit, but surely everyone should at least have the right to a roof and basic food and water. I have no idea how much that costs and stuff, but shouldn't that just be basic?

I disagree. If you are over 18, you deserve nothing. You should be working for it (if you are able). The only people who should get benefits are the disabled and minors.

Back in the day if you didn't hunt for your own food or contribute to your village in some type of way, you'd starve. Thats how it needs to be.

Quote from: BaconShelf on August 06, 2015, 05:36:43 AM

I know very little about economics an shit, but surely everyone should at least have the right to a roof and basic food and water. I have no idea how much that costs and stuff, but shouldn't that just be basic?

I disagree. If you are over 18, you deserve nothing. You should be working for it (if you are able). The only people who should get benefits are the disabled and minors.

Back in the day if you didn't hunt for your own food or contribute to your village in some type of way, you'd starve. Thats how it needs to be.

But we have cheap food easily available and more empty houses than homeless people. I'm not saying giving mansions or some shit, just a one-room thing with a piss bucket and a water tap is more than enough- just something to use a 'base of operations', as it were. when I say people should be able to (In the 21st century) get what they need to live, I mean that. Not people on benefits forgoing food for two weeks just so they can have a new phone (Which is utterly ridiculous and a serious mismanagement of priorities), just enough to live.

It's not exactly easy to get jobs, and I think it's unfair to punish people because they actively try to get them but simply can't due to bad luck or sucking at interviews or whatever. I would totally advocate not providing stuff to people who are able to do stuff but don't even show evidence of trying to apply for jobs and stuff. fuck them.

Quote from: BaconShelf on August 06, 2015, 05:36:43 AM

everyone should at least have the right to a roof and basic food and water.

that's not how rights work

That's how they should work. In an intelligently organized society.

I know there aren't any of those, but that's why we have ideals.

would a guaranteed basic income work as a substitute for minimum wage and unemployment benefits

Yup, although you're better off having a negative income tax instead.

Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on August 07, 2015, 11:13:13 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on August 06, 2015, 05:36:43 AM

everyone should at least have the right to a roof and basic food and water.

that's not how rights work

That's how they should work. In an intelligently organized society.

I know there aren't any of those, but that's why we have ideals.

no u dumb nigger rights are not active

your rights do not include anything that would require action on someone else's part

you can argue that we as a society should guarantee all people recieve basic necessities, but don't call it a right because it just makes you sound like a whiny leech

don't call it a right

It's a right.

"Whiny leech"?
My whole philosophy is predicated under the notion that I never asked to be here.

Don't want leeches? Stop fucking creating them.
We have sanctioned the creation of leeches.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on August 07, 2015, 05:03:33 PM

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on August 07, 2015, 03:31:29 PM

your rights do not include anything that would require action on someone else's part

I kind of disagree with this. I'd say your rights don't extend to merely taking other people's labour/services. You have a right to pursue healthcare, for instance, but the doctor sure as shit doesn't have the right to not treat you if he doesn't like you.

Doctors shouldn't treat people they dislike? What?

No, doctors don't have the right to refuse treatment. I'm saying Door is, on some level, wrong when he says rights don't give you access to other people's labour.