Quote from: Chakas on May 04, 2015, 09:46:16 AMWell they kind of were. The group that organized the event is known as an anti-Islam group, so it really isn't that surprisingRight, because being anti-Islam means you're just asking for somebody to come and put a bullet in your head. Just like wearing slutty clothes means you're asking for somebody to come and non-consensually fuck you in your arsehole. That's all this is: sophisticated victim blaming. I don't give a flying fuck who you are, you're entitled to express your opinions and beliefs and others are entitled to challenge you on such matters. Even when it comes to bigotry. Being a neo-Nazi and holding rallies doesn't give a green light for militant Jews to try and fucking murder you.
Well they kind of were. The group that organized the event is known as an anti-Islam group, so it really isn't that surprising
However, with their freedom of expression, they'd probably kill you.
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:06:19 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on May 04, 2015, 09:53:47 AMQuote from: Chakas on May 04, 2015, 09:46:16 AMWell they kind of were. The group that organized the event is known as an anti-Islam group, so it really isn't that surprisingRight, because being anti-Islam means you're just asking for somebody to come and put a bullet in your head. Just like wearing slutty clothes means you're asking for somebody to come and non-consensually fuck you in your arsehole. That's all this is: sophisticated victim blaming. I don't give a flying fuck who you are, you're entitled to express your opinions and beliefs and others are entitled to challenge you on such matters. Even when it comes to bigotry. Being a neo-Nazi and holding rallies doesn't give a green light for militant Jews to try and fucking murder you.Well, actually, it kind of does. Freedom of speech, or freedom of expression right?You have the freedom of speech to walk up to a group of black people and do this.SpoilerYouTubeHowever, with their freedom of expression, they'd probably kill you. As such, this is why people withhold things. This is why people keep things private. You can say anything you want in reality. You can do anything you want.But other people, will act differently based on what you say, and what you do.Somebody might shrug you off if you called them a cunt in person. Another person might try to beat your ass.Those people simply got the really deep end of the spectrum in terms of a reaction.If we're going to argue freedom of speech here, or freedom of expression, then it's all or nothing.There is no "Oh it's okay so long as you don't kill them." card. It's action, and reaction. And the severity of which both are done.You can insult them back all you like, or protest in return. Murder doesn't fall under freedom of expression.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on May 04, 2015, 09:53:47 AMQuote from: Chakas on May 04, 2015, 09:46:16 AMWell they kind of were. The group that organized the event is known as an anti-Islam group, so it really isn't that surprisingRight, because being anti-Islam means you're just asking for somebody to come and put a bullet in your head. Just like wearing slutty clothes means you're asking for somebody to come and non-consensually fuck you in your arsehole. That's all this is: sophisticated victim blaming. I don't give a flying fuck who you are, you're entitled to express your opinions and beliefs and others are entitled to challenge you on such matters. Even when it comes to bigotry. Being a neo-Nazi and holding rallies doesn't give a green light for militant Jews to try and fucking murder you.Well, actually, it kind of does. Freedom of speech, or freedom of expression right?You have the freedom of speech to walk up to a group of black people and do this.SpoilerYouTubeHowever, with their freedom of expression, they'd probably kill you. As such, this is why people withhold things. This is why people keep things private. You can say anything you want in reality. You can do anything you want.But other people, will act differently based on what you say, and what you do.Somebody might shrug you off if you called them a cunt in person. Another person might try to beat your ass.Those people simply got the really deep end of the spectrum in terms of a reaction.If we're going to argue freedom of speech here, or freedom of expression, then it's all or nothing.There is no "Oh it's okay so long as you don't kill them." card. It's action, and reaction. And the severity of which both are done.
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:06:19 PMHowever, with their freedom of expression, they'd probably kill you. What? Since when was murdering a person commensurate with freedom of expression?
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:06:19 PMHowever, with their freedom of expression, they'd probably kill you.Is it freedom of expression if it's illegal?
One that is most definitely not correct. But it still happened now didn't it?
The only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.
It still baffles me that in this day and age, people continue to legitimately believe that violence is an appropriate retaliation to fucking words. And just lol at all the victim blaming ITT. You have a right to express whatever shitty opinion you want. The fact that we live in a world where feeling scared that your values might get you killed is commonplace is disgusting.
Serves them right tbf.
Quote from: SecondClass on May 04, 2015, 03:51:33 PMIt still baffles me that in this day and age, people continue to legitimately believe that violence is an appropriate retaliation to fucking words. And just lol at all the victim blaming ITT. You have a right to express whatever shitty opinion you want. The fact that we live in a world where feeling scared that your values might get you killed is commonplace is disgusting. But they weren't targeted for their views, they were targeted because they provoked it. Serves them right tbf.
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:01:41 PMServes them right tbf.Just like women in skimpy clothes provoke racists, right?
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:01:41 PMQuote from: SecondClass on May 04, 2015, 03:51:33 PMIt still baffles me that in this day and age, people continue to legitimately believe that violence is an appropriate retaliation to fucking words. And just lol at all the victim blaming ITT. You have a right to express whatever shitty opinion you want. The fact that we live in a world where feeling scared that your values might get you killed is commonplace is disgusting. But they weren't targeted for their views, they were targeted because they provoked it. Serves them right tbf.I don't care if they were chanting that Muhammad was a faggot while smearing pork all over a likeness of him. Violence is never a just response to words.
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:01:41 PMQuote from: SecondClass on May 04, 2015, 03:51:33 PMIt still baffles me that in this day and age, people continue to legitimately believe that violence is an appropriate retaliation to fucking words. And just lol at all the victim blaming ITT. You have a right to express whatever shitty opinion you want. The fact that we live in a world where feeling scared that your values might get you killed is commonplace is disgusting. But they weren't targeted for their views, they were targeted because they provoked it. Serves them right tbf.you just provoked me. im going to find and kill you. serves you right.
Quote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:01:41 PMQuote from: SecondClass on May 04, 2015, 03:51:33 PMIt still baffles me that in this day and age, people continue to legitimately believe that violence is an appropriate retaliation to fucking words. And just lol at all the victim blaming ITT. You have a right to express whatever shitty opinion you want. The fact that we live in a world where feeling scared that your values might get you killed is commonplace is disgusting. But they weren't targeted for their views, they were targeted because they provoked it. Serves them right tbf.you just provoked me. im going to find and kill you. serves you right. doesn't work like that in the real world.
So you only care about 1 side of the problem? Good to know.
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:12:08 PMSo you only care about 1 side of the problem? Good to know.No, you idiot. Muslims should be equally free to argue for and express all manner of outrageous claims. They should be able to behead straw-men with a sign saying "apostate" around their neck if somebody is willing to have such demonstrations on their property. The point is apostates should then in turn not fucking murder them. I honestly don't believe that you can equate drawing pictures of Mohammed to murdering people for it; even you aren't that stupid.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on May 04, 2015, 04:15:48 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:12:08 PMSo you only care about 1 side of the problem? Good to know.No, you idiot. Muslims should be equally free to argue for and express all manner of outrageous claims. They should be able to behead straw-men with a sign saying "apostate" around their neck if somebody is willing to have such demonstrations on their property. The point is apostates should then in turn not fucking murder them. I honestly don't believe that you can equate drawing pictures of Mohammed to murdering people for it; even you aren't that stupid. 1) Stop reverting to ad-hominems like your brown noser.2) Even if they did behead straw men you would have a problem. Just admit it already.3) They provoked an attack against a large group of people, every action as a reaction. in this case, karma.
2) Even if they did behead straw men you would have a problem. Just admit it already.
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:20:56 PM2) Even if they did behead straw men you would have a problem. Just admit it already.Where did I claim I wouldn't have a problem with it? Of course I fucking would, it would be a horrible, Medieval display of barbarism. The difference between you and I is that I wouldn't be trying to justify the actions of non-Muslims who subsequently try to murder them.
So "killing" straw men is horrible and barbaric? LOLChrist you must flood the place with tears when a tree gets chopped down. lol
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 04, 2015, 04:35:50 PMSo "killing" straw men is horrible and barbaric? LOLChrist you must flood the place with tears when a tree gets chopped down. lolI find it really funny how you can accuse me of ad hominem and, in the same comment no less, call another user a brown-noser and then try to make fun of me for thinking the idea of murdering apostates is barbaric. If you don't have anything useful to say--whether it's couched in insults or not--then fuck off out of Serious.
"Draw Muhammad" shooting in Garland Texas
