Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:46:30 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:43:43 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:39:45 PMSome fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?It's not victim blaming when the victims may as well have held up a giant, flashy sign saying "HAY GAIZ! ATTACK US!!! PLEASE!!!"I don't even know what to say to this.You are truly abhorrent, in every sense of the word.This attack is barely even comparable to Charlie Hebdo. These guys were having their stupid competition in a fortress against some losers who just got out spontaneously, so the only two deaths were the retards who attacked.In Charlie Hebdo, they were defenseless against very well-prepared attackers, and it was really a disgusting and cowardly massacre. Completely different stories.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:43:43 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:39:45 PMSome fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?It's not victim blaming when the victims may as well have held up a giant, flashy sign saying "HAY GAIZ! ATTACK US!!! PLEASE!!!"I don't even know what to say to this.You are truly abhorrent, in every sense of the word.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:39:45 PMSome fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?It's not victim blaming when the victims may as well have held up a giant, flashy sign saying "HAY GAIZ! ATTACK US!!! PLEASE!!!"
Some fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?
Regardless of whether the artists were "provoking" Muslims, I think most of us should agree that the gunmen choosing to respond to the provoking with murder is obviously the greater problem here.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.
Muslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMReaction =/= ExpressionAnd murder isn't protected under law or a bill of rights. And disregarding all of that, murder still isn't expression.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:49:15 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:46:30 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:43:43 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:39:45 PMSome fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?It's not victim blaming when the victims may as well have held up a giant, flashy sign saying "HAY GAIZ! ATTACK US!!! PLEASE!!!"I don't even know what to say to this.You are truly abhorrent, in every sense of the word.This attack is barely even comparable to Charlie Hebdo. These guys were having their stupid competition in a fortress against some losers who just got out spontaneously, so the only two deaths were the retards who attacked.In Charlie Hebdo, they were defenseless against very well-prepared attackers, and it was really a disgusting and cowardly massacre. Completely different stories.No they absolutely aren't.It's positively fucking pathetic in this day and age that we have to beef up security and employ fucking soldiers to protect an event that particpated in drawing pictures.I'll say that again.People have died and special law enforcement agencies are now beginning to be employed simply because people are having the gall to draw a fucking child molesting warlord scumfuck that existed 3000 years ago.Please pull your head out of your PC arse.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:52:54 PMQuote from: Sir Mav of House Rick on May 04, 2015, 08:51:20 PMRegardless of whether the artists were "provoking" Muslims, I think most of us should agree that the gunmen choosing to respond to the provoking with murder is obviously the greater problem here.Which is a very good point which could have easily been gotten through without being covered in "mudslimes gonna mudslime" hate speech that other people have been saying.That's what I and others have been saying this entire thread. Not a single one of us has used any slurs or condemned all Muslims as subhuman filth. Man up and accept you're wrong and you're victim blaming. People drawing a picture of some pedo do not deserve to be shot at no matter how "provocative" it is to the sensitive baby Muslims.
Quote from: Sir Mav of House Rick on May 04, 2015, 08:51:20 PMRegardless of whether the artists were "provoking" Muslims, I think most of us should agree that the gunmen choosing to respond to the provoking with murder is obviously the greater problem here.Which is a very good point which could have easily been gotten through without being covered in "mudslimes gonna mudslime" hate speech that other people have been saying.
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 08:42:32 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on May 04, 2015, 02:48:42 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMThe only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.Not true, it's like Popper's paradox of intolerance. A society which values tolerance must be intolerant of intolerance to some degree. It's a meta-behaviour to protect the wider value. As such, actions which limit others' freedom of expression must themselves be limited. Is this erring on the "better side" of expression, no I wouldn't say so. A Salafist Muslim is free to argue all he likes that apostates should be killed, but when you actually kill apostates you're very obviously harming other individuals' freedom to their own expression. It's not about protecting some forms of expression over others; it's about protecting expression as widely as is possible.Which I agree with. But all the same, shutting one's head in the sand and thinking that there aren't people who don't play nice, who don't particularily adhere to playing nice, is stupid.I mean really. How in the fuck could you not expect some form of trouble at an event like that? I'm not saying that they asked for the trouble they got or that they deserved it. But at the same time, not expecting trouble to arrive is a mistake.with 40 people guarding the place i'm pretty sure they were prepared for trouble
Quote from: Meta Cognition on May 04, 2015, 02:48:42 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMThe only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.Not true, it's like Popper's paradox of intolerance. A society which values tolerance must be intolerant of intolerance to some degree. It's a meta-behaviour to protect the wider value. As such, actions which limit others' freedom of expression must themselves be limited. Is this erring on the "better side" of expression, no I wouldn't say so. A Salafist Muslim is free to argue all he likes that apostates should be killed, but when you actually kill apostates you're very obviously harming other individuals' freedom to their own expression. It's not about protecting some forms of expression over others; it's about protecting expression as widely as is possible.Which I agree with. But all the same, shutting one's head in the sand and thinking that there aren't people who don't play nice, who don't particularily adhere to playing nice, is stupid.I mean really. How in the fuck could you not expect some form of trouble at an event like that? I'm not saying that they asked for the trouble they got or that they deserved it. But at the same time, not expecting trouble to arrive is a mistake.
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMThe only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.Not true, it's like Popper's paradox of intolerance. A society which values tolerance must be intolerant of intolerance to some degree. It's a meta-behaviour to protect the wider value. As such, actions which limit others' freedom of expression must themselves be limited. Is this erring on the "better side" of expression, no I wouldn't say so. A Salafist Muslim is free to argue all he likes that apostates should be killed, but when you actually kill apostates you're very obviously harming other individuals' freedom to their own expression. It's not about protecting some forms of expression over others; it's about protecting expression as widely as is possible.
The only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:49:15 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:46:30 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:43:43 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:39:45 PMSome fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?It's not victim blaming when the victims may as well have held up a giant, flashy sign saying "HAY GAIZ! ATTACK US!!! PLEASE!!!"I don't even know what to say to this.You are truly abhorrent, in every sense of the word.This attack is barely even comparable to Charlie Hebdo. These guys were having their stupid competition in a fortress against some losers who just got out spontaneously, so the only two deaths were the retards who attacked.In Charlie Hebdo, they were defenseless against very well-prepared attackers, and it was really a disgusting and cowardly massacre. Completely different stories.No they absolutely aren't.It's positively fucking pathetic in this day and age that we have to beef up security and employ fucking soldiers to protect an event that particpated in drawing pictures.I'll say that again.People have died and special law enforcement agencies are now beginning to be employed simply because people are having the gall to draw a fucking child molesting warlord scumfuck that existed 3000 years ago.Please pull your head out of your PC arse.If they want to do that, why don't the just host a Genghis Khan or Stalin-drawing competition? There are plenty of assholes throughout history that could be drawn other than one who they know will piss off 1.6 billion people.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:54:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.Really, then why were they just as hardline throughout history? Why are the rich Saudis some of the most hardline Muslims in the Middle East?That bullshit about "destitute social and economic conditions" is just that. Bullshit. They're in dire straits because of their toxic religion which has them at a standstill and doesn't let them progress and civilize.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:57:29 PMIf they want to do that, why don't the just host a Genghis Khan or Stalin-drawing competition? There are plenty of assholes throughout history that could be drawn other than one who they know will piss off 1.6 billion people.So we're supposed to be afraid of these 1.6 billion people and bow to their every demand and never fall out of line with them, right?Fuck you.
If they want to do that, why don't the just host a Genghis Khan or Stalin-drawing competition? There are plenty of assholes throughout history that could be drawn other than one who they know will piss off 1.6 billion people.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:02:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:58:40 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:54:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.Really, then why were they just as hardline throughout history? Why are the rich Saudis some of the most hardline Muslims in the Middle East?That bullshit about "destitute social and economic conditions" is just that. Bullshit. They're in dire straits because of their toxic religion which has them at a standstill and doesn't let them progress and civilize.Then how did the Arabian Peninsula end up turning from some dirt-poor backwater region 90 years ago into nearly first-world living standards? Liberalization takes a long time to happen coming from dirt-poor conditions. And all of the people ruling Saudi Arabia are of the old generations who were growing up 70 years ago when Saudi Arabia was still poor.Oil. And it's not just the people ruling Saudo Arabia, it's their sons and peoe from our generation who are rich and are extremely hardline.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:58:40 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:54:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.Really, then why were they just as hardline throughout history? Why are the rich Saudis some of the most hardline Muslims in the Middle East?That bullshit about "destitute social and economic conditions" is just that. Bullshit. They're in dire straits because of their toxic religion which has them at a standstill and doesn't let them progress and civilize.Then how did the Arabian Peninsula end up turning from some dirt-poor backwater region 90 years ago into nearly first-world living standards? Liberalization takes a long time to happen coming from dirt-poor conditions. And all of the people ruling Saudi Arabia are of the old generations who were growing up 70 years ago when Saudi Arabia was still poor.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:04:32 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 09:03:41 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:02:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:58:40 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:54:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.Really, then why were they just as hardline throughout history? Why are the rich Saudis some of the most hardline Muslims in the Middle East?That bullshit about "destitute social and economic conditions" is just that. Bullshit. They're in dire straits because of their toxic religion which has them at a standstill and doesn't let them progress and civilize.Then how did the Arabian Peninsula end up turning from some dirt-poor backwater region 90 years ago into nearly first-world living standards? Liberalization takes a long time to happen coming from dirt-poor conditions. And all of the people ruling Saudi Arabia are of the old generations who were growing up 70 years ago when Saudi Arabia was still poor.Oil. And it's not just the people ruling Saudo Arabia, it's their sons and peoe from our generation who are rich and are extremely hardline.Yeah.But my point was that this region was extremely poor 90 years ago, and it takes a while to liberalize. Numerous reforms have already happened in Saudi Arabia.And yet women can't eat with forks because the men are such perverts they think of a cock entering the woman's mouth when she uses a fork. Saudi Arabia isn't even close to being socially equal.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 09:03:41 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:02:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:58:40 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:54:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.Really, then why were they just as hardline throughout history? Why are the rich Saudis some of the most hardline Muslims in the Middle East?That bullshit about "destitute social and economic conditions" is just that. Bullshit. They're in dire straits because of their toxic religion which has them at a standstill and doesn't let them progress and civilize.Then how did the Arabian Peninsula end up turning from some dirt-poor backwater region 90 years ago into nearly first-world living standards? Liberalization takes a long time to happen coming from dirt-poor conditions. And all of the people ruling Saudi Arabia are of the old generations who were growing up 70 years ago when Saudi Arabia was still poor.Oil. And it's not just the people ruling Saudo Arabia, it's their sons and peoe from our generation who are rich and are extremely hardline.Yeah.But my point was that this region was extremely poor 90 years ago, and it takes a while to liberalize. Numerous reforms have already happened in Saudi Arabia.
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 08:57:26 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 02:35:34 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMReaction =/= ExpressionAnd murder isn't protected under law or a bill of rights. And disregarding all of that, murder still isn't expression.Sure it is. It is a form of expression because somebody got pissed off enough to consider committing it. You don't just go up and murder for no apparent reason.Protesters with signs? Angry and displeased with something. They take their anger out and make their point known with signs.Murder is violent, and violence is usually associated with anger, so, factually, yes, murder is a form of expression. It's just at the far end of the scales. It's the extreme end to how far you can go to express hatred or dislike of another human being or their actions.Is it right? No. It causes damage, inflicts trauma. Ruins lives. It's a negative form of expression. But, it is still a form of expression because the people on the other end were upset or angered enough to consider action.Just because it doesn't fall under the written paper documents of protected freedoms of speech, doesn't make it a null thing. "Freedom of Speech" is just a fancy formality. A guidline to generally streamline what is acceptable as expressing yourself or your views.Murdering someone because you're angry is a reaction, not expression. Look the words up in a dictionary.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 02:35:34 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMReaction =/= ExpressionAnd murder isn't protected under law or a bill of rights. And disregarding all of that, murder still isn't expression.Sure it is. It is a form of expression because somebody got pissed off enough to consider committing it. You don't just go up and murder for no apparent reason.Protesters with signs? Angry and displeased with something. They take their anger out and make their point known with signs.Murder is violent, and violence is usually associated with anger, so, factually, yes, murder is a form of expression. It's just at the far end of the scales. It's the extreme end to how far you can go to express hatred or dislike of another human being or their actions.Is it right? No. It causes damage, inflicts trauma. Ruins lives. It's a negative form of expression. But, it is still a form of expression because the people on the other end were upset or angered enough to consider action.Just because it doesn't fall under the written paper documents of protected freedoms of speech, doesn't make it a null thing. "Freedom of Speech" is just a fancy formality. A guidline to generally streamline what is acceptable as expressing yourself or your views.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:09:20 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 09:05:57 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:04:32 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 09:03:41 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:02:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:58:40 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:54:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.Really, then why were they just as hardline throughout history? Why are the rich Saudis some of the most hardline Muslims in the Middle East?That bullshit about "destitute social and economic conditions" is just that. Bullshit. They're in dire straits because of their toxic religion which has them at a standstill and doesn't let them progress and civilize.Then how did the Arabian Peninsula end up turning from some dirt-poor backwater region 90 years ago into nearly first-world living standards? Liberalization takes a long time to happen coming from dirt-poor conditions. And all of the people ruling Saudi Arabia are of the old generations who were growing up 70 years ago when Saudi Arabia was still poor.Oil. And it's not just the people ruling Saudo Arabia, it's their sons and peoe from our generation who are rich and are extremely hardline.Yeah.But my point was that this region was extremely poor 90 years ago, and it takes a while to liberalize. Numerous reforms have already happened in Saudi Arabia.And yet women can't eat with forks because the men are such perverts they think of a cock entering the woman's mouth when she uses a fork. Saudi Arabia isn't even close to being socially equal.It's not, and I never said that.But there is some measure of progress.Whatever the fuck it is you're linking isn't opening for me. Not that I really care, Saudi Arabia is a shithole.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 09:05:57 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:04:32 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 09:03:41 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 09:02:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:58:40 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:54:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:52:51 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.Israel's destruction is just bullshit rhetoric from Iran designed to appease their population so a second Iranian Revolution doesn't happen.Politics.Hamas is a political terrorist group fighting for political aims.While higher ups may not even be religious, the masses and foot soldiers most certainly are hardline Muslims. Islam is toxic. Get over it.And them even being hardline Muslims to begin with was motivated by destitute social conditions.Really, then why were they just as hardline throughout history? Why are the rich Saudis some of the most hardline Muslims in the Middle East?That bullshit about "destitute social and economic conditions" is just that. Bullshit. They're in dire straits because of their toxic religion which has them at a standstill and doesn't let them progress and civilize.Then how did the Arabian Peninsula end up turning from some dirt-poor backwater region 90 years ago into nearly first-world living standards? Liberalization takes a long time to happen coming from dirt-poor conditions. And all of the people ruling Saudi Arabia are of the old generations who were growing up 70 years ago when Saudi Arabia was still poor.Oil. And it's not just the people ruling Saudo Arabia, it's their sons and peoe from our generation who are rich and are extremely hardline.Yeah.But my point was that this region was extremely poor 90 years ago, and it takes a while to liberalize. Numerous reforms have already happened in Saudi Arabia.And yet women can't eat with forks because the men are such perverts they think of a cock entering the woman's mouth when she uses a fork. Saudi Arabia isn't even close to being socially equal.It's not, and I never said that.But there is some measure of progress.
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