Gun violence is caused by guns. More specifically, the glorification of these tools as part of the very prevalent American gun culture, their extreme availability to the general public and the extraordinarily high rates of private gun ownership.
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Quote from: PSU on October 12, 2015, 06:30:42 PMWah spoons make me fatOh, no "more guns = less crime" horseshit?
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 12, 2015, 07:52:38 PMQuote from: Republicunt on October 12, 2015, 07:48:53 PMQuote from: PSU on October 12, 2015, 06:30:42 PMWah spoons make me fatOh, no "more guns = less crime" horseshit?Gun ownership rates have been decliningMass shootings have been going upCheckmate, Dustin.That's sentra actually
Quote from: Republicunt on October 12, 2015, 07:48:53 PMQuote from: PSU on October 12, 2015, 06:30:42 PMWah spoons make me fatOh, no "more guns = less crime" horseshit?Gun ownership rates have been decliningMass shootings have been going upCheckmate, Dustin.
Less than 3% to 5% of all US crimes involve people with mental illness, and the percentages of those crimes actually involving guns is lower than the national average of these crimes commited by people without a mental illness.
Quote from: Flee on October 12, 2015, 01:53:19 PMLess than 3% to 5% of all US crimes involve people with mental illness, and the percentages of those crimes actually involving guns is lower than the national average of these crimes commited by people without a mental illness. I call bullshit; something like half of the prisoners in the US (or globally) have ASPD.
My own thoughts:Uh, yeah, like, pumping more money into mental health isn't going to solve the problem that you can't force people to seek help, and that some folks like Seung-Hui Cho or James Holmes are loners who aren't going to have someone else report or refer them to mental health services. And they're sure as hell not going to think "hey, I'm not doing so well, I should seek help." If they cared about their own safety or that of others, or were able to do so, they would not have done what they did.And making 'more beds' in psych wards is only going to put more pressure on an already overburdened health care industry (more spending isn't going to solve the problem of simply lacking enough manpower as is), and probably result in frivolous diagnoses similar to the prison industry and mass incarceration, because some places are only in it for the money, and more occupied beds = more profits.Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 09:02:46 PMQuote from: Flee on October 12, 2015, 01:53:19 PMLess than 3% to 5% of all US crimes involve people with mental illness, and the percentages of those crimes actually involving guns is lower than the national average of these crimes commited by people without a mental illness. I call bullshit; something like half of the prisoners in the US (or globally) have ASPD.Erm, got a source for that? I'm inclined to believe that the US' ginormous incarceration rate might make that untrue, but don't quote me on that, figuratively speaking.
62 surveys from 12 countries included 22 790 prisoners (mean age 29 years, 18 530 [81%] men, 2568 [26%] of 9776 were violent offenders). 3·7% of men (95% CI 3·3–4·1) had psychotic illnesses, 10% (9–11) major depression, and 65% (61–68) a personality disorder, including 47% (46–48) with antisocial personality disorder. 4·0% of women (3·2–5·1) had psychotic illnesses, 12% (11–14) major depression, and 42% (38–45) a personality disorder, including 21% (19–23) with antisocial personality disorder. Although there was substantial heterogeneity among studies (especially for antisocial personality disorder), only a small proportion was explained by differences in prevalence rates between detainees and sentenced inmates. Prisoners were several times more likely to have psychosis and major depression, and about ten times more likely to have antisocial personality disorder, than the general population.
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Quote from: Chaos Metal Dragon on October 13, 2015, 11:33:57 AMjust gonna leave this hereI don't have to pay for other peoples guns. Why should I have to pay for other peoples hospital bills if I haven't been in a hospital since my child was born?Socialism is retarded.
Quote from: Luciana on October 17, 2015, 07:04:10 AMQuote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 11:51:51 AMQuote from: Chaos Metal Dragon on October 13, 2015, 11:33:57 AMjust gonna leave this hereI don't have to pay for other peoples guns. Why should I have to pay for other peoples hospital bills if I haven't been in a hospital since my child was born?Socialism is retarded.It's literally like car insurance you idiot. You have to pay a penalty if you don't have insurance for your car. It's a simple tax that provides a right for everyone. Stop buying into people who are behind literally the rest of the developed world."europeans are doing it, so we should too!"
Quote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 11:51:51 AMQuote from: Chaos Metal Dragon on October 13, 2015, 11:33:57 AMjust gonna leave this hereI don't have to pay for other peoples guns. Why should I have to pay for other peoples hospital bills if I haven't been in a hospital since my child was born?Socialism is retarded.It's literally like car insurance you idiot. You have to pay a penalty if you don't have insurance for your car. It's a simple tax that provides a right for everyone. Stop buying into people who are behind literally the rest of the developed world.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 17, 2015, 02:03:41 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 17, 2015, 07:04:10 AMQuote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 11:51:51 AMQuote from: Chaos Metal Dragon on October 13, 2015, 11:33:57 AMjust gonna leave this hereI don't have to pay for other peoples guns. Why should I have to pay for other peoples hospital bills if I haven't been in a hospital since my child was born?Socialism is retarded.It's literally like car insurance you idiot. You have to pay a penalty if you don't have insurance for your car. It's a simple tax that provides a right for everyone. Stop buying into people who are behind literally the rest of the developed world."europeans are doing it, so we should too!""Other people have developed a successful system, so we should too!"
Quote from: Septy on October 17, 2015, 03:19:03 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 17, 2015, 02:03:41 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 17, 2015, 07:04:10 AMQuote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 11:51:51 AMQuote from: Chaos Metal Dragon on October 13, 2015, 11:33:57 AMjust gonna leave this hereI don't have to pay for other peoples guns. Why should I have to pay for other peoples hospital bills if I haven't been in a hospital since my child was born?Socialism is retarded.It's literally like car insurance you idiot. You have to pay a penalty if you don't have insurance for your car. It's a simple tax that provides a right for everyone. Stop buying into people who are behind literally the rest of the developed world."europeans are doing it, so we should too!""Other people have developed a successful system, so we should too!"To be fair America has some distinct problems from Europe, specifically gang culture and the criminality the drug war has produced.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 17, 2015, 03:36:14 PMQuote from: Septy on October 17, 2015, 03:19:03 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 17, 2015, 02:03:41 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 17, 2015, 07:04:10 AMQuote from: PSU on October 13, 2015, 11:51:51 AMQuote from: Chaos Metal Dragon on October 13, 2015, 11:33:57 AMjust gonna leave this hereI don't have to pay for other peoples guns. Why should I have to pay for other peoples hospital bills if I haven't been in a hospital since my child was born?Socialism is retarded.It's literally like car insurance you idiot. You have to pay a penalty if you don't have insurance for your car. It's a simple tax that provides a right for everyone. Stop buying into people who are behind literally the rest of the developed world."europeans are doing it, so we should too!""Other people have developed a successful system, so we should too!"To be fair America has some distinct problems from Europe, specifically gang culture and the criminality the drug war has produced.And this has nothing to do with implementing universal healthcare