Selective Moderation

PestiIence · April 30, 2015, 05:13:55 PM

I've noticed an issue of the mods only moderating certain kind of topics but not others when they should all probably be penalized. Same goes for a few other instances of rule breaking where some people get away with certain things but others don't.

Shall we address this issue?

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:16:24 PM

Address an issue when it can just be swept under the rug until the time it becomes a much bigger problem?
You must think there's sense here.

Girl of Mystery · April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM

The report button exists

Cheat · April 30, 2015, 05:17:40 PM

Can you be specific? Either post it here or PM me, because I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

PestiIence · April 30, 2015, 05:18:06 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM

The report button exists

from what I understand, reporting something doesn't guarantee moderator action

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:18:35 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM

The report button exists

He's talking about all the Meta related threads from a few minutes ago getting deleted, when threads made about other members just get locked and left.

It's pretty obvious they're just protecting the one user.

PestiIence · April 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:18:35 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
The report button exists
He's talking about all the Meta related threads from a few minutes ago getting deleted, when threads made about other members just get locked and left.

It's pretty obvious they're just protecting the one user.

not to mention all that spam last night that was mostly left untouched

Cheat · April 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: PestiIence on April 30, 2015, 05:18:06 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
The report button exists
from what I understand, reporting something doesn't guarantee moderator action

It guarantees a moderator will look at it, though. We have to open up the list of reported posts (where it shows the contents of those posts that have been reported) in order to close or ignore the report. So it's basically impossible for reports to be unseen.

Girl of Mystery · April 30, 2015, 05:20:12 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:18:35 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
The report button exists
He's talking about all the Meta related threads from a few minutes ago getting deleted, when threads made about other members just get locked and left.

It's pretty obvious they're just protecting the one user.

oh?

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:21:40 PM

Quote from: Cheat on April 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: PestiIence on April 30, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
The report button exists
from what I understand, reporting something doesn't guarantee moderator action
It guarantees a moderator will look at it, though.

Just seeing it doesn't indicated action will be taken, for example, Chronic has said he doesn't like moderating.
So the chances of him doing anything are slim.
And what if he's the only one active during that time?
It's ok to let the rule breaking continue until someone willing to do the job appears?

PestiIence · April 30, 2015, 05:23:07 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:21:40 PM

It's ok to let the rule breaking continue until someone willing to do the job appears?

this is often the case for a few different issues

Cheat · April 30, 2015, 05:24:15 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:21:40 PM

Quote from: Cheat on April 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: PestiIence on April 30, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
The report button exists
from what I understand, reporting something doesn't guarantee moderator action
It guarantees a moderator will look at it, though.
Just seeing it doesn't indicated action will be taken, for example, Chronic has said he doesn't like moderating.
So the chances of him doing anything are slim.
And what if he's the only one active during that time?
It's ok to let the rule breaking continue until someone willing to do the job appears?

No, you're right. For one reason or another, the moderator may choose to not take action and leave the report up. The mod could be conflicted about what to do or need someone else's opinion or any other number of things.

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:28:03 PM

Quote from: Cheat on April 30, 2015, 05:24:15 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:21:40 PM
Quote from: Cheat on April 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: PestiIence on April 30, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
The report button exists
from what I understand, reporting something doesn't guarantee moderator action
It guarantees a moderator will look at it, though.
Just seeing it doesn't indicated action will be taken, for example, Chronic has said he doesn't like moderating.
So the chances of him doing anything are slim.
And what if he's the only one active during that time?
It's ok to let the rule breaking continue until someone willing to do the job appears?
No, you're right. For one reason or another, the moderator may choose to not take action and leave the report up. The mod could be conflicted about what to do or need someone else's opinion or any other number of things.

Diverting from the fact of one mod being set on not taking action is quite funny.

But you're right that a mod may need a second opinion, however, from talking to a few of the mods, most can't seem to act WITHOUT second opinion, which is completely wrong.
There's a reason we have set rules that are quite clear-cut. And that's not so mods can spend time discussing over something that clearly violates the rules while leaving the offending user/post/thread free until they're finished.

Azure · April 30, 2015, 05:30:34 PM

I azure you its all okay~

big sponge · April 30, 2015, 05:32:52 PM

Fucking puns

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:34:17 PM

And really, Comms made 5-7 shitposts earlier, when Flee and LC were online, during that time only a couple of other threads were made and the ones made by Comms stayed at the top for a couple of hours.
They were nothing but shitposts on par with the stuff usually locked.

Did the mods do anything?
No.

But Meta's thread is jumped on immediately, along with a thread asking about it.
That's selective moderation if ever there was any.
Not even a "you know this isn't allowed". On top of that, threads like those are generally just locked. But we have to protect the snowflakes, right?

Azure · April 30, 2015, 05:34:29 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:32:52 PM

Fucking puns

Cheat · April 30, 2015, 05:34:49 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:28:03 PM

Quote from: Cheat on April 30, 2015, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:21:40 PM
Quote from: Cheat on April 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: PestiIence on April 30, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 30, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
The report button exists
from what I understand, reporting something doesn't guarantee moderator action
It guarantees a moderator will look at it, though.
Just seeing it doesn't indicated action will be taken, for example, Chronic has said he doesn't like moderating.
So the chances of him doing anything are slim.
And what if he's the only one active during that time?
It's ok to let the rule breaking continue until someone willing to do the job appears?
No, you're right. For one reason or another, the moderator may choose to not take action and leave the report up. The mod could be conflicted about what to do or need someone else's opinion or any other number of things.
Diverting from the fact of one mod being set on not taking action is quite funny.

But you're right that a mod may need a second opinion, however, from talking to a few of the mods, most can't seem to act WITHOUT second opinion, which is completely wrong.
There's a reason we have set rules that are quite clear-cut. And that's not so mods can spend time discussing over something that clearly violates the rules while leaving the offending user/post/thread free until they're finished.

It's not often that it happens. Most of the back and forth between the mods when the offense is clear and obvious is announcing what we're doing just to let the mod squad know.

And generally, when there is uncertainty, the thread isn't left alive. It's locked or moved to HQ, as has been the case a few times.

big sponge · April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:34:17 PM

And really, Comms made 5-7 shitposts earlier, when Flee and LC were online, during that time only a couple of other threads were made and the ones made by Comms stayed at the top for a couple of hours.
They were nothing but shitposts on par with the stuff usually locked.

Did the mods do anything?
No.

But Meta's thread is jumped on immediately, along with a thread asking about it.
That's selective moderation if ever there was any.

Was I actually on? Or was my computer on?

I leave this thing on all day so me being "on" doesn't mean I'm actually on. I don't even know what happened with meta's thread today since I haven't really looked on here much. To busy with other shit.

There's also only been one report total today, so if I'm checking in on reports and don't see anything then I'm going to assume that everything is daijobu.

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:40:12 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:34:17 PM
And really, Comms made 5-7 shitposts earlier, when Flee and LC were online, during that time only a couple of other threads were made and the ones made by Comms stayed at the top for a couple of hours.
They were nothing but shitposts on par with the stuff usually locked.

Did the mods do anything?
No.

But Meta's thread is jumped on immediately, along with a thread asking about it.
That's selective moderation if ever there was any.

Was I actually on? Or was my computer on?

I leave this thing on all day so me being "on" doesn't mean I'm actually on. I don't even know what happened with meta's thread today since I haven't really looked on here much. To busy with other shit.

Well the system only lists you as online if you're active, refreshing a page or clicking something, so you had to have been doing one of those for your username to be listed on the Index page.

And there's a problem with locking away the "who's online" there's no way to actually tell when a mod is truly active.
Psy for example often just refreshes the page to make him appear on the online user list for the pretence of being active.
Doesn't mean he's actually available.

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:42:02 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

There's also only been one report total today, so if I'm checking in on reports and don't see anything then I'm going to assume that everything is daijobu.

I'm constantly reporting things, but I left Comms' threads alone to see what would happen, seeing as they were on the top of page one of the Flood for hours and it should be standard procedure at this point to check Comms' threads anyway given that the mods are well aware of his posting habits.

PestiIence · April 30, 2015, 05:43:18 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

There's also only been one report total today, so if I'm checking in on reports and don't see anything then I'm going to assume that everything is daijobu.

maybe people don't bother leaving reports because they don't think anything is actually going to be done, or because it seems annoyingly tattletale-ish

Cheat · April 30, 2015, 05:45:12 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:42:02 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

There's also only been one report total today, so if I'm checking in on reports and don't see anything then I'm going to assume that everything is daijobu.
I'm constantly reporting things, but I left Comms' threads alone to see what would happen, seeing as they were on the top of page one of the Flood for hours and it should be standard procedure at this point to check Comms' threads antway given that the mods are well aware of his posting habits.

Hmm...well it looks like none of the mods were around to see it. I know I wasn't. I got on and deleted a few threads in the flood and noticed that there weren't any reports. I hadn't had a chance to enter many of the front page threads, but nothing stood out to me, so I didn't rush to check them.

I mean, I guess if you're going to make the mods go through every thread themselves, yeah, there will probably be shitty moderation just from lack of resources. But I'd hope that you would hit that report button and help us out so that threads like this don't need to be made.

big sponge · April 30, 2015, 05:47:24 PM

Quote from: PestiIence on April 30, 2015, 05:43:18 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM
There's also only been one report total today, so if I'm checking in on reports and don't see anything then I'm going to assume that everything is daijobu.
maybe people don't bother leaving reports because they don't think anything is actually going to be done, or because it seems annoyingly tattletale-ish

Well if you're having an issue with not wanting to be seen as a tattle-tale you can't exactly get angry at the mods when they're not around to handle it and don't when they do get on due to not even knowing it took place.

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:50:52 PM

Quote from: Cheat on April 30, 2015, 05:45:12 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

There's also only been one report total today, so if I'm checking in on reports and don't see anything then I'm going to assume that everything is daijobu.
I'm constantly reporting things, but I left Comms' threads alone to see what would happen, seeing as they were on the top of page one of the Flood for hours and it should be standard procedure at this point to check Comms' threads antway given that the mods are well aware of his posting habits.
Hmm...well it looks like none of the mods were around to see it. I know I wasn't. I got on and deleted a few threads in the flood and noticed that there weren't any reports. I hadn't had a chance to enter many of the front page threads, but nothing stood out to me, so I didn't rush to check them.

I mean, I guess if you're going to make the mods go through every thread themselves, yeah, there will probably be shitty moderation just from lack of resources. But I'd hope that you would hit that report button and help us out so that threads like this don't need to be made.

There's my point.
You guys know Comms is a massive shitposter. And his threads were right up there.
Maybe it's just me, but it's not hard to jump in between a few thread to check the OP. It's not like they were from a diverse range of users.

My not reporting anything this time was, like I said, a test to see if who was online was on the ball.
They weren't, whether that's for personal reasons or not, that timeframe sees Zesty, Comms, Elegiac, Challenger, sometimes Midget and Berzerk who likes to necrobump.
On top of it being extremely quiet without those users, it's not hard to keep an eye out.

I will continue reporting things, but if there's 5 shitposts I see, unless I plug the thread links into one report box (which you need to lengthen, it's woefully inadequate) it'll take 5 minutes to report each thread, which is ridiculous.

Mat Cauthon · April 30, 2015, 05:52:06 PM

Quote from: PestiIence on April 30, 2015, 05:43:18 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM
There's also only been one report total today, so if I'm checking in on reports and don't see anything then I'm going to assume that everything is daijobu.
maybe people don't bother leaving reports because they don't think anything is actually going to be done, or because it seems annoyingly tattletale-ish

Unless a mod tells who sent any given report, you can't see who reports what.

PestiIence · April 30, 2015, 05:58:07 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:50:52 PM

I will continue reporting things, but if there's 5 shitposts I see, unless I plug the thread links into one report box (which you need to lengthen, it's woefully inadequate) it'll take 5 minutes to report each thread, which is ridiculous.

yeah this is a problem too. it kind of makes reporting things a drag.

big sponge · April 30, 2015, 06:03:18 PM

Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:40:12 PM

Quote from: LC on April 30, 2015, 05:36:27 PM
Quote from: Byrne on April 30, 2015, 05:34:17 PM
And really, Comms made 5-7 shitposts earlier, when Flee and LC were online, during that time only a couple of other threads were made and the ones made by Comms stayed at the top for a couple of hours.
They were nothing but shitposts on par with the stuff usually locked.

Did the mods do anything?
No.

But Meta's thread is jumped on immediately, along with a thread asking about it.
That's selective moderation if ever there was any.

Was I actually on? Or was my computer on?

I leave this thing on all day so me being "on" doesn't mean I'm actually on. I don't even know what happened with meta's thread today since I haven't really looked on here much. To busy with other shit.
Well the system only lists you as online if you're active, refreshing a page or clicking something, so you had to have been doing one of those for your username to be listed on the Index page.

And there's a problem with locking away the "who's online" there's no way to actually tell when a mod is truly active.
Psy for example often just refreshes the page to make him appear on the online user list for the pretence of being active.
Doesn't mean he's actually available.

Like I said, I'll sit on the index and refresh for reports every now and again if I'm doing something else. If I don't see any report notifications I assume everything is fine. This is a volunteer job after all, I'm not getting paid to sit here and watch everything. I use up my free time doing it that I could be using to do something more enjoyable like playing vidya, catching up on tv series, or seeing a movie that's been on my backlog.

You also have some of the mods on Skype and can send PMs if you think there's an issue or don't know if the mods are actually available at the moment. It's pretty easy to get in contact with most of us.

Kitsune 狐 · April 30, 2015, 06:18:19 PM

It's called special treatment. If a popular member is banned it can cause a negative flux of good thread content. Plus I bet each mod has their favorites.

Nick McIntyre · April 30, 2015, 09:53:32 PM

So Meta is a special snowflake?