Quote from: TBlocks on August 30, 2015, 02:43:08 AM

Yea give the mods hell boy!
Wait a sec...

You've forgotten that I'm essentially the Charles-Henri Sanson of the staff Tblocks. I don't discriminate.

Oh good. I'm relieved. Praise god almighty!

Well this went places while I was asleep.


Can I just say that it's not just the fact that it was spoilers. It was the malicious intent of posting spoilers in a specific thread full of people that really DIDN'T want it spoiled, then acting like a complete knob afterwards.

Cant help but notice the massive jerk of ''this and that for monitor/mod''

It isn't about jerking each other off

it's about solving a fucking problem

both lemon and i have said that we'd selflessly take the responsibility of dealing with spoilers

but we both selfishly want Verbatim to do it because he'd be the best at it.

This isn't a circle jerk. This is about solving a fucking problem, by any means.

i think i should be gaming monitor tbh

Anyways, I'll add my thoughts on what should be done, however unrealistic.

1. FAR greater ban times/less warning/harsher punishments off the bat.
It's so difficult to break the rules in your everyday posts that if you do break them, you deserve to be punished. Furthermore, a greater punishment will work as a greater deterrence than "Oh, you don't get to come online for a few days. Sorry." That's barely a nuisance.

2. Posting spoilers for ANY media, given they're in a 3 week/month (video games for the former, movies and other things for the latter) bubble around its release date (3 weeks/months before and after) should result in HARSH punishments, minimum 2 weeks ban on first offence. This is obviously exclusive to posting spoilers with malicious intent, and would not apply to, say LC or Sandtrap's posts which were obviously unintentional. Also, threads that explicitly state "SPOILER ZONE", obviously, these rules don't apply (unless the thing that someone is spoiling is not relevant.) For example, if my thread was an MGSV spoiler thread, and Gats had posted, say, Star Wars Episode 7 spoilers with the intent of pissing us off, he needs a punishment.

3. The report function puts a unique SPOILER TAG around the post until a mod sees it, at which point they can either remove the comment or remove the spoiler tag around it. There's no way for this to be abused, and I expect it to be implemented. For example, as soon as Aria saw what Gats had posted, she could have reported it and that would have spoiler-tagged it for me and many others. Crisis averted. This needs to be implemented. Period.

4. Forum specific moderators/monitor hybrid. Specifically for gaming, I don't think the other forums need it, though Flood could eventually considering it'll probably attract all other kinds of media. These hybrids would ideally be able to do the following:
-ban users from that specific forum
-edit/remove specific posts
-move/lock/hide threads
All of which are only temporary until a superior takes a look. At which point, they can deal with the problems accordingly.  Specifically for Gats, if I was a hybrid in that scenario, I would have been able to:
-ban him from gaming
-remove his posts completely
Both of which wouldn't be permanent, and would only last until a moderator disapproves of them. Obviously I don't think someone should be banned from Gaming and not the other forums indefinitely, but it's to mitigate their potential to create an even bigger mess for that hybrid.
Truthfully, if you implemented my other suggestions, this one seems pretty redundant.

And finally, 5. The application for thread-specific extra permissions. I'll create an example.
My MGSV thread has existed for 20+ days, and I intend to update it for weeks to come in support of the game and our minor MGS subcommunity that we have on Sep7agon. We don't have enough MGS fans to have constant threads, and I like the idea of having one, giant thread instead of multiple because it unifies us. I digress, that's not the point. The point is, that I plan on taking care of that thread and constantly update it.
If I wanted absolute control, so that I could clean up the constant attack of derailment (Challenger, at least twice, came into my thread despite not being an MGS fan and wanting to piss us off) and spoilers, I could apply for extra permissions in that thread. I would get to edit/remove posts and lock/hide the thread. I wouldn't have this power ANYWHERE ELSE, ONLY in that thread.
If I abused it, it would simply be revoked, and all the changes I made could be reversed. And if you didn't think I was trustworthy at the get-go, you could deny me the ability at all.
I really don't see how this could meaningfully be abused at all, because the effects of its abuse could completely reversed.




That's all I got.

Anyways, I'll add my thoughts on what should be unrealistic.

3. The report function puts a unique SPOILER TAG around the post until a mod sees it, at which point they can either remove the comment or remove the spoiler tag around it. There's no way for this to be abused, and I expect it to be implemented. For example, as soon as Aria saw what Gats had posted, she could have reported it and that would have spoiler-tagged it for me and many others. Crisis averted. This needs to be implemented. Period.

Someone deciding to go through a thread and report every post isn't abuse of the feature because it can't be abused at all.

Someone deciding to go through a thread and report every post isn't abuse of the feature because it can't be abused at all.

That isn't abuse.

Everyone can still see those posts if they want, they're just uniquely spoiler tagged.

Yeah it's a minor inconvenience but if they are wrongfully reported, it could result in a warning from mods and a retraction of the unique spoiler tag.

It's nice that someone can find enjoyment in the situation in a harmless way, and that's not sarcastic.

However, as has already been stated, it's not that it caused harm. It's that it involved ntentional harm, and it was allowed because it technically not against the rules. That's why we need to look into reforms; not even necessarily to punish retro-actively, but to make sure it doesn't happen again.

That isn't abuse.

Everyone can still see those posts if they want, they're just uniquely spoiler tagged.

Yeah it's a minor inconvenience but if they are wrongfully reported, it could result in a warning from mods and a retraction of the unique spoiler tag.

That's more than a minor inconvenience, honestly. That would make trudging through threads an absolute nightmare for everyone.

I might see a feature like that implemented if we have a minimum of 3-5 reports on a single post, but... by that point, it might be too late.

It's not unrealistic--it's just not a good idea, straight-up. Gotta be honest.

That's more than a minor inconvenience, honestly. That would make trudging through threads an absolute nightmare for everyone.

How? All it takes is a click to remove the spoiler-tag.
I do see how it could be a greater inconvenience, though. But I think the end justifies the means. I'd rather have to deal with that sometimes that not have the feature at all.

I might see a feature like that implemented if we have a minimum of 3-5 reports on a single post, but... by that point, it might be too late.

Well see the trouble with that is that someone could just post 6 spoilers, and have 5 of them reported and spoiler-tagged. That sixth spoiler is still visible.

Also, like I said, a punishment for abuse of this system would be met with warning and bans.

I might see a feature like that implemented if we have a minimum of 3-5 reports on a single post, but... by that point, it might be too late.

I misunderstood this part of your post.

Yeah, that would be a good idea, but like you said, a lot of people may already be affected.

Quote from: GAIUS DASSIUS B00TSAR on August 30, 2015, 12:49:00 PM

Daily reminder that you people didn't vote for Strict moderation when you had the chance.

if you report the post with 'Spoiler - Reason why (if it's not obvious)' then there are enough mods around to see it within a reasonable timeframe.

If by reasonable you mean 10 minutes - 3 hours then sure. It's totally reasonable.