But why? That barely constitutes a minor nuisance. Are we that strapped for members that we can't dish out justice when needed?
Quote from: TBlocks on August 30, 2015, 12:28:44 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:26:33 AMQuote from: Sadladin on August 30, 2015, 12:25:04 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:23:39 AMOne month bans for a spoiler will not happen, I can guarantee you that much.And what if they break more than one rule at a time?That'll come down to the staff handling the situation. Even if we were to throw a harassment charge in, you're still looking at no more than a few days, at most.But why? That barely constitutes a minor nuisance. Are we that strapped for members that we can't dish out justice when needed?QuotePosting malicious attacks or repeatedly harassing members will carry penalties ranging from a 10-20% warning for the first offense, to lite-bans of various lengths.Let's say we gave Gatsby a warning for harassment - it was only his first or second offense if i recall, so his impact from harassment would be small, maybe a day lite-ban. Spoiling, depending on what we decide,will be a few days at most.As I said, there is no way we are going to ban people for weeks to a month for posting a spoiler.
Quote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:26:33 AMQuote from: Sadladin on August 30, 2015, 12:25:04 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:23:39 AMOne month bans for a spoiler will not happen, I can guarantee you that much.And what if they break more than one rule at a time?That'll come down to the staff handling the situation. Even if we were to throw a harassment charge in, you're still looking at no more than a few days, at most.But why? That barely constitutes a minor nuisance. Are we that strapped for members that we can't dish out justice when needed?
Quote from: Sadladin on August 30, 2015, 12:25:04 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:23:39 AMOne month bans for a spoiler will not happen, I can guarantee you that much.And what if they break more than one rule at a time?That'll come down to the staff handling the situation. Even if we were to throw a harassment charge in, you're still looking at no more than a few days, at most.
Quote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:23:39 AMOne month bans for a spoiler will not happen, I can guarantee you that much.And what if they break more than one rule at a time?
One month bans for a spoiler will not happen, I can guarantee you that much.
Posting malicious attacks or repeatedly harassing members will carry penalties ranging from a 10-20% warning for the first offense, to lite-bans of various lengths.
i really love how all the best ideas are being shot down one by oneand for poor/baseless/no reasoning
Highly unlikely, a nice idea on paper but in application its far too susceptible to abuse, a person can edit out what they don't like or just flat out lock threads when things don't go their way. Even if the staff gives it to more "responsible" members, there have always been cases of members who have generally been more calm to lose their cool. Its just not going to be a thing, sorry.
Quote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:30:42 AMQuote from: TBlocks on August 30, 2015, 12:28:44 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:26:33 AMQuote from: Sadladin on August 30, 2015, 12:25:04 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:23:39 AMOne month bans for a spoiler will not happen, I can guarantee you that much.And what if they break more than one rule at a time?That'll come down to the staff handling the situation. Even if we were to throw a harassment charge in, you're still looking at no more than a few days, at most.But why? That barely constitutes a minor nuisance. Are we that strapped for members that we can't dish out justice when needed?QuotePosting malicious attacks or repeatedly harassing members will carry penalties ranging from a 10-20% warning for the first offense, to lite-bans of various lengths.Let's say we gave Gatsby a warning for harassment - it was only his first or second offense if i recall, so his impact from harassment would be small, maybe a day lite-ban. Spoiling, depending on what we decide,will be a few days at most.As I said, there is no way we are going to ban people for weeks to a month for posting a spoiler.he posted 5 big spoilers, and reposted a previous one
Quote from: Verbatim on August 30, 2015, 12:15:40 AMi really love how all the best ideas are being shot down one by oneand for poor/baseless/no reasoningTruth is, a lot of these ideas really are ripe for abuse. Overreactive changes are only asking for trouble.
Quote from: Yu on August 30, 2015, 12:20:59 AMWeek bans for spoilers? Not even people who post porn get that much, thats overly severe for the what it is.let's be real herethe consequence of posting porn is minimal--you might offend somebody with a very weak constitution.boo hoo, you saw some tits--oh wellthe consequence of posting spoilers is universal--everyone who reads the spoiler is negatively affectedeveryone
Week bans for spoilers? Not even people who post porn get that much, thats overly severe for the what it is.
Still not worthy of a month long ban. Hell, Noelle & Kinder rarely even got those.Sorry.
Not a single one of these ideas is like that.
Quote from: Solid Lemon on August 30, 2015, 12:32:10 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:30:42 AMQuote from: TBlocks on August 30, 2015, 12:28:44 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:26:33 AMQuote from: Sadladin on August 30, 2015, 12:25:04 AMQuote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:23:39 AMOne month bans for a spoiler will not happen, I can guarantee you that much.And what if they break more than one rule at a time?That'll come down to the staff handling the situation. Even if we were to throw a harassment charge in, you're still looking at no more than a few days, at most.But why? That barely constitutes a minor nuisance. Are we that strapped for members that we can't dish out justice when needed?QuotePosting malicious attacks or repeatedly harassing members will carry penalties ranging from a 10-20% warning for the first offense, to lite-bans of various lengths.Let's say we gave Gatsby a warning for harassment - it was only his first or second offense if i recall, so his impact from harassment would be small, maybe a day lite-ban. Spoiling, depending on what we decide,will be a few days at most.As I said, there is no way we are going to ban people for weeks to a month for posting a spoiler.he posted 5 big spoilers, and reposted a previous oneStill not worthy of a month long ban. Hell, Noelle & Kinder rarely even got those.Sorry.
Quote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:33:13 AMStill not worthy of a month long ban. Hell, Noelle & Kinder rarely even got those.Sorry.Your standards are garbage and need to be revised, then.Sorry.
nothing you could do on this site would result in a immediate week to month ban
Enlighten me, then--how is that so?
Quote from: Yu on August 30, 2015, 12:34:17 AMnothing you could do on this site would result in a immediate week to month banAnd that, fundamentally, is my problem with the system.
Sorry Verb, but we aren't hyperinflatting punishments to appease a few people.We will put in new safeguards against spoilers, but we are not going to ban members for a month. That is not, and never will, be on the table.
Quote from: Yu on August 30, 2015, 12:28:11 AMHighly unlikely, a nice idea on paper but in application its far too susceptible to abuse, a person can edit out what they don't like or just flat out lock threads when things don't go their way. Even if the staff gives it to more "responsible" members, there have always been cases of members who have generally been more calm to lose their cool. Its just not going to be a thing, sorry.1. It's their thread, they should have control if they want. Don't like it? Make your own thread.2. It's not like a monitor position. Each thread would need to be requested specifically. If I was allowed to have these permissions in my MGSV thread, I wouldn't have it in my Street Fighter thread. See how that works? It only applies to my MGSV thread, because it matters there.Mods would be able to say "Okay, he means to update this thread appropriately, and in the past, he's shown maturity. Let's grant him this."
Quote from: Verbatim on August 30, 2015, 12:37:45 AMQuote from: Yu on August 30, 2015, 12:34:17 AMnothing you could do on this site would result in a immediate week to month banAnd that, fundamentally, is my problem with the system.holy fuck I agree with Verb.But that quote from Yutaka is so brutally and horribly showing this system's flaws.
Quote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:36:47 AMSorry Verb, but we aren't hyperinflatting punishments to appease a few people.We will put in new safeguards against spoilers, but we are not going to ban members for a month. That is not, and never will, be on the table.We'll see what the community thinks about that.
Have you ever been staff on a forum before?
I can't believe I'm just realising how poorly this site operatesfuck meMake the punishments severe. Only people who break the rules will be affected, and as far as I'm concerned, those people deserve it.Why do we need to pander to these fucks that add nothing but negativity to our forum?
Quote from: Kupo on August 30, 2015, 12:35:49 AMEnlighten me, then--how is that so?Ideas:1. Forum-specific mods, with powers that work temporarily and need to be looked at by permanent mod to take full effect.None of their effects last permanently, so any mistakes they make will be rectified.2. Thread-specific extra-permissions applicationVery little downside. The person needs to apply for each specific thread, to which he can be denied if he's untrustworthy. Typically reserved for big threads, like my MGSV or a Star Wars hype thread, etc. Also, it's that's person thread. Don't like it? Make your own thread.
It's a little shocking at first but hopefully we can perhaps help out a bit...That last line is something I've been asking myself for a while.
Hold another vote if you really wish. Hybrid, non-strict moderation would still win.
Quote from: TBlocks on August 30, 2015, 12:39:47 AMQuote from: Verbatim on August 30, 2015, 12:37:45 AMQuote from: Yu on August 30, 2015, 12:34:17 AMnothing you could do on this site would result in a immediate week to month banAnd that, fundamentally, is my problem with the system.holy fuck I agree with Verb.But that quote from Yutaka is so brutally and horribly showing this system's flaws.I'm sorry, what?
Quote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:41:51 AMHold another vote if you really wish. Hybrid, non-strict moderation would still win.Give it time. People will eventually see the merits of such a system.
Quote from: Frigid Farts™ on August 30, 2015, 12:41:51 AMQuote from: TBlocks on August 30, 2015, 12:39:47 AMQuote from: Verbatim on August 30, 2015, 12:37:45 AMQuote from: Yu on August 30, 2015, 12:34:17 AMnothing you could do on this site would result in a immediate week to month banAnd that, fundamentally, is my problem with the system.holy fuck I agree with Verb.But that quote from Yutaka is so brutally and horribly showing this system's flaws.I'm sorry, what?Well if you can't get a week ban right off the bat for anything then what's the point of following the rules at all?!
1) Monitors already fulfill that role, and they're not limited to one board.
2) I can't speak on behalf of the upper staff, but that sounds awfully draconian and will probably never happen.
Just a friendly reminder that going dark is the only foolproof means of avoiding spoilers.
Well if you can't get a week ban right off the bat for anything then what's the point of following the rules at all?!A couple days, like I said, is so utterly useless and insignificant.
Why do we need to pander to these fucks that add nothing but negativity to our forum?
Quote from: TBlocks on August 30, 2015, 12:42:43 AMIt's a little shocking at first but hopefully we can perhaps help out a bit...That last line is something I've been asking myself for a while.My guess is they need to revenue, which is understandable but I'd rather see more ads on my screen than have to deal with this shit.Any other scenario besides incompetence doesn't make sense to me.
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