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Lol all of this over a silly spoiler

It isn't the spoiler itself, it's the fact that you posted it despite knowing how much the game means to Saladin, Lemon, and Big Boss. It was an utterly shitty thing to do.


 
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On top of Cheat's post, I can let you know that the staff is working on a spoiler policy to help prevent this.

More coming eventually >.>

Is there going to be any consequence for Gats?


 
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Like I know I don't seem objective about this, nor do I make the rules

but he needs to be punished. Especially since he doesn't show any remorse for what he's done.


 
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On top of Cheat's post, I can let you know that the staff is working on a spoiler policy to help prevent this.

More coming eventually >.>

Is there going to be any consequence for Gats?

We don't retroactively punish users as we add new rules and policies, so unfortunately no.


If it happens again, then yes.


 
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ugh

That's garbage.


 
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I suppose I can't do anything about that, then. Even if I disagree with it (one could make the argument, like CIA has, that he was breaking the rules).


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
Please read the rules before you post


Nothing in there about spoilers son I got 99 problems but metal gear ain't one


 
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Like he just posted in this thread that it doesn't matter

something obviously should be done with him.


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On top of Cheat's post, I can let you know that the staff is working on a spoiler policy to help prevent this.

More coming eventually >.>

Is there going to be any consequence for Gats?

We don't retroactively punish users as we add new rules and policies, so unfortunately no.


If it happens again, then yes.
Even though the rule change is because of him?

Okay


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Completely agreed. If he'd somehow genuinely posted them as a mistake it'd be a different story, but he chose to start dicking around just after Saladin made it clear he's trying to avoid spoilers. It wasn't even a joke, it was a deliberate mean-spirited kick to the groin.

And then he started laughing about it afterward. He doesn't give a shit.


 
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Even though the rule change is because of him?

Okay

I can see that being a bit of a dick move, though.

Like imagine they made eating pretzels illegal, and then arrested everyone who ate them.

But in this case, it's different because he doesn't think it's a big deal, and it could be argued that he did break the rules.


 
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I'll bring the topic to discussion with the staff, but as I said, we do not (or have not) retroactively punished users with new rules.

No guarantees or promises other than an upcoming spoiler policy, NSFW/Spoiler Tags for threads, etc.

Last Edit: August 29, 2015, 08:43:48 PM by Frigid Farts™


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BTW, I'm working on adding prefix-functionality to the forum (for topics that include spoilers as well as topics that are NSFW), so this kind of thing can hopefully be avoided.


Make it flash and stuff to further catch their attention.


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Even though the rule change is because of him?

Okay

I can see that being a bit of a dick move, though.

Like imagine they made eating pretzels illegal, and then arrested everyone who ate them.

But in this case, it's different because he doesn't think it's a big deal, and it could be argued that he did break the rules.

The rule is being made specifically because of Guts' spoilers. That's a bit different from a new rule being made coincidentally just after Guts posted spoilers


 
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The rule is being made specifically because of Guts' spoilers. That's a bit different from a new rule being made coincidentally just after Guts posted spoilers

Good point.

Disregard what I said, then.

Yeah, he definitely deserves a punishment.


 
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You guys are being far too lenient. He even said it was malicious so punish him for it!


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You guys are being far too lenient. He even said it was malicious so punish him for it!
What would you say a fair period of time would be? 4-6 months?
Too light. Cut their hands off, then they can never do it again.


 
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I understand your anger, trust me. The staff is working hard at resolving this issue to the benefit of the community, and will hopefully have a solution in a couple days, in time for the start of the holiday season.

In the meantime, we ask that everyone take a breath and proceed with caution on all forums, namely ours, until the new policy is finalized. Gatsby, despite being a jackass, will receive no further punishment due to our "No retroactive punishment" policy.

If you have any questions or concerns you wish to be brought to the staff, feel free to let me know in a message or this thread.


 
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You know when Challenger doesn't join in on the joke

that it's not funny

all my problems with him, at least he had the decency not to do that

and yknow, I've heard a lot of people complain about incompetencey in the staff

it's starting to show it's merit ITT


 
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You guys are being far too lenient. He even said it was malicious so punish him for it!
it was never against the rules
Was it wrong yes, it wasn't against any rule though so nothing can be done



 
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I've talked about the argument that he did break the rules. Here's the argument, courtesy of CIA.

"I realize that there aren't any rules against posting spoilers (shockingly), but given the intention of his posting being just to piss people off, wouldn't that fall under inflammatory posting or harassment of some form? He's only posting spoilers in the thread where people asked not to be spoiled (literally within a page of him posting spoilers).

Multiple people have been banned for being inflaming shitheads, what makes this case different? The content?"


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You guys are being far too lenient. He even said it was malicious so punish him for it!
it was never against the rules
Was it wrong yes, it wasn't against any rule though so nothing can be done
>posting with malicious intent

Yes you did, actually


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The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
You guys are being far too lenient. He even said it was malicious so punish him for it!
it was never against the rules
Was it wrong yes, it wasn't against any rule though so nothing can be done
I'd argue that it would qualify as harassment, which is most definitely against the rules.

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harassment

(either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

harassment. (n.d.) Burton’s Legal Thesaurus, 4E. (2007). Retrieved August 29 2015 from http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassment

But that's up to the administration to decide whether it does or not. If they disagree, then that's how the cookie crumbles.

EDIT: Also, What Lemony Fresh said.
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The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
oh my


 
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Hmm...
Ok, so after reading through this thread I have a couple points to talk about in regard to moderation tools.

1. Yes, it's possible to appoint board-specific mods/monitors. All forums usually have this feature, but it's extremely limiting when it's put into practice. Appointing a general monitor who frequents gaming would be a better choice, and I will be considering expanding the staff in a week or two, after I get a feel on how much adding the two monitors helps out with the workload.

2. It's also possible to enable thread authors to have extended privileges (edit, delete, and lock). This is also something I'll be considering and also testing in future Anarchy events. It's severely vulnerable to abuse, as is.


 
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2. It's also possible to enable thread authors to have extended privileges (edit, delete, and lock). This is also something I'll be considering and also testing in future Anarchy events. It's severely vulnerable to abuse, as is.
i already suggested that shit months ago and you declined

REEEEEEEEEE


 
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Hmm...
2. It's also possible to enable thread authors to have extended privileges (edit, delete, and lock). This is also something I'll be considering and also testing in future Anarchy events. It's severely vulnerable to abuse, as is.
i already suggested that shit months ago and you declined

REEEEEEEEEE
Because it's prone to abuse. The only power I could reasonably see giving to topic authors is deleting posts, since they can be easily recovered by an admin.


 
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Appointing a general monitor who frequents gaming would be a better choice, and I will be considering expanding the staff in a week or two, after I get a feel on how much adding the two monitors helps out with the workload.

Would the new monitor have any special powers in Gaming?

Otherwise it feels like a waste of time. Kupo was pretty active in that thread, it's not like he could've done much.

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It's severely vulnerable to abuse, as is.

How?

Also, have you decided on the severity of the punishment regarding future spoilers?


 
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Hmm...
Appointing a general monitor who frequents gaming would be a better choice, and I will be considering expanding the staff in a week or two, after I get a feel on how much adding the two monitors helps out with the workload.

Would the new monitor have any special powers in Gaming?

Otherwise it feels like a waste of time. Kupo was pretty active in that thread, it's not like he could've done much.

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It's severely vulnerable to abuse, as is.

How?

Also, have you decided on the severity of the punishment regarding future spoilers?
No, the monitor wouldn't have extra perms; the ability to delete posts is a strong possibility, though, and is being considered. It's a vulnerability because it would allow users to basically delete and edit posts to their heart's content within their own threads, and that doesn't promote open discussion. We're still talking about the punishments and Icy isn't finished drafting up the rules/explanation yet.


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A moderator that only has powers in Gaming is still the best option