Non rule-breaking thread about "kill yourself"

I find it pretty hypocritical that people freak out when nexus tells a suicidal person to kill himself, but when Chally and the others make a fucking joke out of Elegiac's suicide attempt, it's completely fine.

Not to suck anyone's dick here, but can this be like, changed?

Gats didn't?
Did he?

Either way, all Chally says iirc is "Busy Road", yes >Implying, but there are no rules broken there.

If people got warned and banned for bending the rules, most of the forum would be perma'd.

That's how they run it. Clueless, biased, useless and gutless. Moderating happens on a whim.

Anyone who gets so upset over a game that they go into a suicidal tizzy should kill themselves.

Gats didn't?
Did he?

Either way, all Chally says iirc is "Busy Road", yes >Implying, but there are no rules broken there.

Yeah, in the MGS megathread.

And implying it or not, it's still openly mocking something really personal and serious...

When did this happen?

It is one thing to use a meme "kill yourself", but it is another thing to make jokes about an actual suicide attempt, and it should not be tolerated.

i've never told saladin to kill himself, he's in a bad state right now it really wouldn't be helpful

If people got warned and banned for bending the rules, most of the forum would be perma'd.

Pfft, they still couldn't touch me.

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When did this happen?

More "proof" that'll never come, to take a guess.

i've never told saladin to kill himself, he's in a bad state right now it really wouldn't be helpful

Oh sorry, my mistake. I got you and Nexus mixed up. The point of this thread remains, though.

Moved this to septagon because I thought it might be better suited here. If it's supposed to be more of a comment towards the community in general (kind of like a PSA) just say so.

i've never told saladin to kill himself, he's in a bad state right now it really wouldn't be helpful

Oh sorry, my mistake. I got you and Nexus mixed up. The point of this thread remains, though.

oh well to answer your question I think it's because elegiac isn't liked by many users, cuz of the whole fox thing so it's considered ok

Just pointing out that we did give chally a warning for doing that if you're referring to the mod side of things.

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Moved this to septagon because I thought it might be better suited here. If it's supposed to be more of a comment towards the community in general (kind of like a PSA) just say so.

No, it's probably better suited here, tbh. More official and serious discussion can come of it.

Just pointing out that we did give chally a warning for doing that if you're referring to the mod side of things.

I actually wasn't aware of that, but I've definitely seen him do it more than once. The hypocrisy I mentioned in the OP has more to do with the forum in general than the mods, though. People's interpretation of the rules is completely dependent on the popularity of the user, as gats said.

When did it happen?
What context did it happen in?
Was it reported?

If you want something to be looked into, you gotta give us a little more information than that.

This isn't really an isolated incident as much as a recurring trend.

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So to address the first issue, as LC said we did actually take action against people/challenger for doing the Beep Beep stuff. It wasn't immediate and it wasn't with Mjolnir levels of impact for a number of reasons which can be combed over another time when I'm not as tired if people would really like to go back over that again.

I think it should also be addressed as to the reason why it was pretty clear cut for a warning on the thread that preceded the one that preceded this one - 100 posts. Screaming at someone ''FUCKING LOL

This place won't ever be safe until YOU'RE gone, you fucking batshit sociopath ''

In response to a post that did not concern them/address them/provoke such a response whatsoever beyond whatever compelled elegiac to reply like that to challenger out of the blue. That's not exactly hard to look at the rules and go, 'yeah this isn't allowed'.

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To address the suicide stuff though, it's a tricky subject for a number of reasons. Primarily of all is the 'Kill Yourself' yamyam which muddies the water to an ungodly extent. Making a blanket ban on saying things like that is a step towards a hugbox in one way and a step towards decency in another.

What might be feasible is an addition to do with the more clear cut issues of it, such as telling someone who is suicidal over something to kill themselves. But such instances are rare and usually met with enough condemnation, the contrast here I imagine is that as goots sadly and rightly pointed out - the popularity of a member plays a role, or in this case the unpopularity of a certain member. Which isn't exactly a nice thing to state, but it plays a role in the community reaction to events.

In terms of moderation, which is what we can handle as opposed to manipulating the collective thoughts of a section of the  forum to be less judgemental of another user and therefore more sympathetic, it's not exactly clear cut even though it should be.

On a moral level it's obviously disgusting, regardless of the circumstances, but one of the things that is a recurring theme for rule enforcement is having to make enforceable/workable adjustments because otherwise ideals just get crushed into useless pulps.

So at the end of the ramble, if people have suggestions as to how we could implement a system to stop that kind of asshattery without it being nothing but a headache for consistent enforcement (regarding the jokes aspect) then I'm all ears <.<

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So to address the first issue, as LC said we did actually take action against people/challenger for doing the Beep Beep stuff. It wasn't immediate and it wasn't with Mjolnir levels of impact for a number of reasons which can be combed over another time when I'm not as tired if people would really like to go back over that again.

I think it should also be addressed as to the reason why it was pretty clear cut for a warning on the thread that preceded the one that preceded this one - 100 posts. Screaming at someone ''FUCKING LOL

This place won't ever be safe until YOU'RE gone, you fucking batshit sociopath ''

In response to a post that did not concern them/address them/provoke such a response whatsoever beyond whatever compelled elegiac to reply like that to challenger out of the blue. That's not exactly hard to look at the rules and go, 'yeah this isn't allowed'.

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To address the suicide stuff though, it's a tricky subject for a number of reasons. Primarily of all is the 'Kill Yourself' yamyam which muddies the water to an ungodly extent. Making a blanket ban on saying things like that is a step towards a hugbox in one way and a step towards decency in another.

What might be feasible is an addition to do with the more clear cut issues of it, such as telling someone who is suicidal over something to kill themselves. But such instances are rare and usually met with enough condemnation, the contrast here I imagine is that as goots sadly and rightly pointed out - the popularity of a member plays a role, or in this case the unpopularity of a certain member. Which isn't exactly a nice thing to state, but it plays a role in the community reaction to events.

In terms of moderation, which is what we can handle as opposed to manipulating the collective thoughts of a section of the  forum to be less judgemental of another user and therefore more sympathetic, it's not exactly clear cut even though it should be.

On a moral level it's obviously disgusting, regardless of the circumstances, but one of the things that is a recurring theme for rule enforcement is having to make enforceable/workable adjustments because otherwise ideals just get crushed into useless pulps.

So at the end of the ramble, if people have suggestions as to how we could implement a system to stop that kind of asshattery without it being nothing but a headache for consistent enforcement (regarding the jokes aspect) then I'm all ears <.<

it shouldn't be moderated. If someone is going to kill themselves they shouldn't be advertising it on a backwater forum. If they choose to do so they deserve whatever treatment they get.

Skipping the moderated part but I strongly disagree. If someone is in that state of mind, they deserve compassion and help not abuse. If they are talking about it on a forum, chances are they aren't able to talk about it IRL to a professional for whatever reason so simply going 'ayy lmao do it faggot' is pretty disgusting.

I'm undecided over moderating it really, I think it's probably better as an issue for people to react to it naturally and (hopefully) light some flak up at the asshole making fun of the other person <.<

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So to address the first issue, as LC said we did actually take action against people/challenger for doing the Beep Beep stuff. It wasn't immediate and it wasn't with Mjolnir levels of impact for a number of reasons which can be combed over another time when I'm not as tired if people would really like to go back over that again.

I think it should also be addressed as to the reason why it was pretty clear cut for a warning on the thread that preceded the one that preceded this one - 100 posts. Screaming at someone ''FUCKING LOL

This place won't ever be safe until YOU'RE gone, you fucking batshit sociopath ''

In response to a post that did not concern them/address them/provoke such a response whatsoever beyond whatever compelled elegiac to reply like that to challenger out of the blue. That's not exactly hard to look at the rules and go, 'yeah this isn't allowed'.

+++

To address the suicide stuff though, it's a tricky subject for a number of reasons. Primarily of all is the 'Kill Yourself' yamyam which muddies the water to an ungodly extent. Making a blanket ban on saying things like that is a step towards a hugbox in one way and a step towards decency in another.

What might be feasible is an addition to do with the more clear cut issues of it, such as telling someone who is suicidal over something to kill themselves. But such instances are rare and usually met with enough condemnation, the contrast here I imagine is that as goots sadly and rightly pointed out - the popularity of a member plays a role, or in this case the unpopularity of a certain member. Which isn't exactly a nice thing to state, but it plays a role in the community reaction to events.

In terms of moderation, which is what we can handle as opposed to manipulating the collective thoughts of a section of the  forum to be less judgemental of another user and therefore more sympathetic, it's not exactly clear cut even though it should be.

On a moral level it's obviously disgusting, regardless of the circumstances, but one of the things that is a recurring theme for rule enforcement is having to make enforceable/workable adjustments because otherwise ideals just get crushed into useless pulps.

So at the end of the ramble, if people have suggestions as to how we could implement a system to stop that kind of asshattery without it being nothing but a headache for consistent enforcement (regarding the jokes aspect) then I'm all ears <.<

it shouldn't be moderated. If someone is going to kill themselves they shouldn't be advertising it on a backwater forum. If they choose to do so they deserve whatever treatment they get.

Skipping the moderated part but I strongly disagree. If someone is in that state of mind, they deserve compassion and help not abuse. If they are talking about it on a forum, chances are they aren't able to talk about it IRL to a professional for whatever reason so simply going 'ayy lmao do it faggot' is pretty disgusting.

I'm undecided over moderating it really, I think it's probably better as an issue for people to react to it naturally and (hopefully) light some flak up at the asshole making fun of the other person <.<

then don't make a thread or post over it.

PMing someone is the much more logical solution if you really want to kill yourself.

Well that would honestly be my recommendation here, there are a fair few users on here who will hear you out and try to help with that sort of issue, not to mention myself.

But that's not always what people wish to do, which is fair enough really.

I'm just going to say this.

"Beep beep" and whatever else Chally and Co say are scummy things. But it's more than clear that they're not really egging Elegiac on to kill himself.
In the same way Deci might reveal something about himself and be teased relentlessly about it, Ele let the forum that doesn't like him know about something very sensitive.

It's hard to judge intent sometimes, if this were a group of new members that no one was really sure of, or if we were a big site where the mods didn't know everyone, bans should be given out.
But because we know each other, intent is more than clear 99% of the time.

Just a misunderstanding, so no need for another wall of china >_>

Ah, so I mistook that, alright.

Joking about suicide is never okay, and it is something I will not stand by and tolerate without a fight. Suicidal posts should be reported to the mods and approached carefully and appropriately. The fact that people ridicule others for being suicidal is outrageous. I don't understand how someone saying that they want to end their life can be considered funny, or fun to harass and taunt someone over.

This reminds me, one of these days I'm going to chimp out about being called a pedophile everyday and



Wait, no I won't. I'm an adult.

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