I don't even agree with Mister Breitbart London

Which part don't you agree with? He's spot on in regards to how rape cases regarding men of an Asian background are handled. At this point they're pretty much enveloped in a bubble of political correctness preventing, or at least diminishing the police's capacity and responsibility to bring them to justice.

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Already got a thread on it you fucking dip.

Except Disney officially retconned the entirety of the EU. Get over it, and cry some more. Your subjective preference over the EU isn't going to change the fact that it objectively does not exist anymore. Your analogy of the Halo books is also fallacious, given the fact that 343 has not actively disregarded the material as canon. The comparison doesn't even work, and it never will, until the day that 343 denounces the books as official lore.

Screaming "it's not canon because I say so" makes you look like a self centered twat that can't deal with change. If you want to exist in your own little bubble of blithe ignorance where EU exists and Episode VII doesn't, be my guest. Just don't act like it is objective fact.

"IT'S NOT PART OF THE UNIVERSE IF I SUBJECTIVELY THINK IT'S SHITTY"

-Noelle 2014

Quote from: Madman Mordo on November 29, 2014, 04:02:20 PM

TL;DR: You continue to ignore everything I say in order to pursue your racist witch hunt.

Considering that you have no intention in having an honest conversation here I'm done. I seriously can't believe that the person arguing in favor of keeping tokenism in films for demographic pandering lip service is trying to tell the person saying that minorities should be playing actual characters in films instead of being sidelined is racist.

Considering I'm arguing with the guy that is extrapolating all these baseless assumptions from an 80 second trailer, yeah probably a good idea.

I'd also love to hear what you thoughts on the characters in Jurassic World too before even seeing the actual film. I didn't like the how Starlord was portrayed in the trailer therefore he's obviously going to be shit in the final product isn't he?

The actors past roles play no bearing on what they're currently in.

It is now since you're using the race criteria. You literally just said Boyega was solely a token character. He isn't. The diversity amongst the cast is pretty entrenched.

I could bring up Disney as the producer and point out how they're notorious for tokenism.

Yeah, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Tangled and all those other movies with a predominately white array of characters is really diverse. Tumblr would be proud.

I never stated that it was some SJW conspiracy.

You highly alluded to it.

Way to put words in my mouth.

They may not be your exact words but I'm pretty sure I got the gist of your post.

Good to see that you're actually admitting that this seems a little like tokenism.

Appealing to multiple markets =/= tokenism. Learn the difference.

Especially since all I'm able to take away from these characters is "I'm a woman and I'm black" while in the OT trailers I could come away with a good feeling for who each of the characters were.

I'm happy for you.

I've said a dozen times now that I'm going solely on the trailer and comparing it to other trailers for movies within the same franchise.

You've said nothing of the kind. Nice damage control.

Could this change later? Yeah, but at the moment all I have to take away from this is "I'm a woman and I'm black".

I wouldn't really expect anyone in general to take away anything else considering it's a fucking teaser.

When you put these next to Luke and Han, two white dudes that actually have a character displayed that's more than the color of their skin and gender in their reveals then yeah it does seem like it's attempting to play demographics.

And that's a bad thing why?

Just admit it. You got called out for thinly veiled racism and now you're damage controlling the fuck out with the "characterization" card. May as well admit it now seeing as how it's your responsibility to moderate that kind of behaviour on this forum, not display it.

Besides, using him as a jump scare is just absurd.

Literally, Nitpicking: the post.

Learn what tokenism is brah. Tokenism is actually fucking racist as it's pigeonholing a character based on their skin color or gender in order to fill a quota. This is one black character in whats been shown to be an all white cast and he seems to have little to no actual development from the trailer that should be introducing him as a main character. Same with the girl who's also supposed to be a main character.

If I were to compare them to the main characters from the OT reveal trailers I could actually get a feel for how each character is and thus become interested in them. Meanwhile with this post OT reveal trailer I feel absolutely nothing for these two since I'm not given anything other than a pretty face in whats supposed to be introducing them to me. Meanwhile I know the old cast is returning and if the same effort was put into these new characters you wouldn't have me thinking tokenism. They'd actually feel like they were a part of what's supposed to be the story instead of just an afterthought.

Once again. I'd appreciate it if you'd go on your racist witch hunt elsewhere.

Learn who the main cast are "brah." At least half of them are female along with the chick in 12 Years A Slave. He's far from being "token."

And yeah, perhaps they are trying to attract more demographics, but it's probably due to what market forces dictate, not some SJW conspiracy like you seem to think it is.

How are you judging these characters? Have you been given a leaked script? Are you sleeping with JJ? Are you psychic? Where can I get this lucrative information on these characters we know absolutely nothing about?

I'm preemptively judging a character based on his lack of character. You and Lemon are the ones making it solely about race.

Lando Calrission was only brought up because you two tried to make it about race and not about lack of character. You automatically assumed that because I was commenting on what seemed to be tokenism that I was a racist that hated black people. When in fact, wanting a character not to be token lip service to a minority group and feel like an actual person is about the farthest thing from it.

Please go on your racist witch hunt somewhere else.

So any character that isn't Caucasian is automatically market pandering to a specific demographic? If he was white would he be pandering to white males?

Just trying to apply your logic in a different context here.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on November 29, 2014, 04:26:25 AM

Quote from: Lord Commissar on November 29, 2014, 04:21:06 AM

Quote from: BritishLemön on November 29, 2014, 04:09:26 AM

Quote from: Lord Commissar on November 29, 2014, 04:00:16 AM

this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.

I'm the one who's starting shit even though you're the one complaining that there's a black guy and a woman in the trailer? Okay.

Yes, because a character we know literally nothing about who appeared for all of 5 seconds in an 88 second trailer is only skin deep and only for the sake of diversity.
Congrats, Mr Super Sleuth.

You're trying to call me a moronic racist when I've quite clearly explained that I'm comparing two different characters from trailers that are similar in length.

Lando Calrissian seems like an actual character. This new guy doesn't. Lando barely has more time in the Empire trailer than new guy, but he shows off much more character. New guy is relegated to a fucking jump scare to show off that there's a black guy in the film.

Of course you'll likely ignore everything I'm saying once again in order to push your narrative that denies all evidence to the contrary.

It's not so much that he's "pushing a narrative." It's that you're literally ascertaining an unknown character in an unknown role in a minute teaser trailer based on irrelevant factors such as skin colour.

Why does it matter? Do you find it difficult to identify with people not your colour unless they instantly display suaveness in a movie trailer? Are you that childish?

Yes I can't get over a character or identify with a black character which is why I was praising Lando Calrission. A character who happened to be black, but didn't have his character revolve around the fact.
You're focusing on the wrong shit in order to try and stick it to me. You're the one who's grasping at straws here.


I'll distill this even further for you.

Being a suave rouge is an actual character trait that shows depth. Being panting black man isn't, this is prequel level depth here.

I'm not even sure what to say to you at this point. You're acting like one of those edgy sperglords who complained about the Heath Ledger stills of the Joker because they were too effeminate, and passing baseless autistic claims on post production material that hadn't been finalised yet.

Your rhetoric reads like a post from the containment board itself. Probably time to stop browsing.

I like how Kinder chastises Camnator's bias against cops when his position is pretty much polar opposite to him.

It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Quote from: BritishLemön on November 29, 2014, 03:38:37 AM

Quote from: Lord Commissar on November 28, 2014, 10:12:54 PM

It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,

Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."

The way he's introduced screams tokenism.

Lando Calrission
Introduced in his trailer as being a suave rouge similar to Han Solo. Seems to be an interesting character with actual depth.

New Guy
HEY LOOK I'M A BLACK MAN

And you're gauging this from a one minute teaser right enough?

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