The empire reached critical mass, it would have fallen regardless. By the time it did implode the 'Romans' stationed in Gaul, Germania and Syria had more in common with the native people than Rome itself. The empire had power centralised if they just spread it out a bit more things would have been better.

There were way too many factors with Rome falling than just one thing, but yeah. Political instability, lack of funds to maintain an army over such a vast territory, the Goths and how the romans fucked that up when they were migrating, and a whole list of other things.

Quote from: Luciana on October 19, 2015, 01:35:42 PM

Canadians and Americans are literally the same anyway, minus the french and how gun loving the Canadians aren't.

There's a few subtle differences though. In all actuality our politics are more linked to America than the people are.

Eh, it's like a different state. Join the party of guns, murder, and uhh... fatness.

Canadians and Americans are literally the same anyway, minus the french and how gun loving the Canadians aren't.

Quote from: Elegiac on October 19, 2015, 01:22:26 PM

Justinian.

Leave it to you to pick the possibly most obscure, hipster emperor of all time. Ok, Ok, I'll humour you, who in the ever living fuck was Justinian? All I know that he was in Constantinople at a time when Rome was completely irrelevant.

He did the over ambitious challenge of trying to retake Roman territory with Belisarius (vastly underrated) as his general. Under his rule he wiped out the Vandal kingdom in Africa, retook much of the boot, and made pretty great reforms.

He'd have kept the boot too if reinforcements were able to get through and hold, and he didn't call back Belisarius to Constantinople. When he came back to Rome, he found it was once again completely taken over by the Ostrogoths.

Quote from: Luciana on October 19, 2015, 02:23:45 AM

Hmm... I wonder what you'll do with the HRE. I know religion will probably play a big factor. It's my friends favorite faction in any TW game lol.

Another thing though is that that would be a COMPLETELY different time period. They'd really go from the 400's all the way to the 800's? That's Medieval time.

Medieval 3 tease perhaps?

Pft, I wish, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Hmm... I wonder what you'll do with the HRE. I know religion will probably play a big factor. It's my friends favorite faction in any TW game lol.

Another thing though is that that would be a COMPLETELY different time period. They'd really go from the 400's all the way to the 800's? That's Medieval time.

I feel Lucas got up his own ass with CGI when he got the tech available to him, and forgot the magic of live sets and replacing CGI. It always bothered me in episode 3 how Grevious swung his 4 light sabers like 5 feet from Obi Wan and he never flinches one bit.

That and they walked everywhere. They found out Palpatine was the emperor and instead of running they just... walk like they would any other meeting.

Quote from: Luciana on October 18, 2015, 10:44:34 PM

I always felt that Ewoks taking out fully fledged fighting machine imperials was akin to child fantasy.

But Luci.

Star Wars is a child fantasy.

It's more family friendly, which is why it suddenly hit me why so many people like episode 5 in our age group. It's more mature, it's darker, it's not friendly friends going adventuring against bad guys for fun!

Same reason episode 3 is seen as the only acceptable one within our age group as well. Probably the SAME reason a game like Force Unleashed (I know) is seen as a better story to bridge the gap between 3 and 4 (minus the protag being super OP) than some silly movie.

I thought he looked back at him because the joke was like "really?..."

And the if you're not with me against me thing was lovely. Or so I thought.

Quote from: Luciana on October 18, 2015, 10:37:23 PM

Quote from: Winy on October 18, 2015, 06:29:40 PM

Daily reminder that the clones were forced against their will to obey Order 66 and are victims of Palpatine equally as much as the Jedi.

I liked it more when they were well aware it was coming. For example in Battlefront 2's campaign, the narrator of the 501st was saying how none of the troops could look the Jedi in the eye celebrating a victory with them cheerfully, because they knew what was coming.

I felt it added a lot more weight to it. Though I like to think it was a mixture of both in my own little head.

I don't remember that part of Battlefront, Order 66 was a contingency plan, it was never something that the Clones knew was going to happen, even in the old canon.

I view the inhibitor chips as way more of a reason to despise Palpatine and the Empire, and feel much more sympathy for the people that it affected. I think having the Clones be forced to do it victimizes them just as bad as the Jedi, and it adds a whole other level of tragedy to Order 66, because you've now stripped billions of soldiers of their personalities and turned them into zombies for the Empire.

It's in one of the cutscenes, but I can't be asked to find it.

Still, I just like the mixture I guess.

It sadly consumed 80% of the plot in a movie that was supposed to be about this massive war. Yet we only get like a total of 5 minutes of any real clone battles.

It's so sad.

Quote from: Luciana on October 18, 2015, 06:19:40 PM

Great, this thread turned into NERDS arguing. You know what's great?

KOTOR. Great universe and stuff. I need to finish the 2nd one.

Not canon. :^)

I beleive non canon stuff was just post episode 6 so they could let the writers work without restrictions. Thank god too, because almost all the EU post episode 6 was convoluted garbage.

Great, this thread turned into NERDS arguing. You know what's great?

KOTOR. Great universe and stuff. I need to finish the 2nd one.

Revenge had the best performances and had a lot of darker, more mature themes than Star Wars is usually accustomed to. Anakin's fall was amazing to watch and is actually pretty heartwrenching at times.

I can agree to this.

I'll admit, I think 2 was the worst in the series and I had trouble watching it, simply because you ALWAYS hear about the Clone Wars in the series, from the original till the end. And yet instead of epic battles, we get this love story thrown in with terrible fan-fic tier writing, and then for whatever reason, THE BIG BATTLE SCENES ONLY LAST AROUND 30 SECONDS!!!

With the ship and them evacing, to the Jedi wrecking shit? It was just so freaking bad to me.