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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:11:05 PM »
Noooo psy WAI? Who am I going to get mad at now?

Yu? Or Waifu? <.<
Or Kinderbueno >.>

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:10:35 PM »
Hurry up and leave so you can get back. I cant restart the Kara no Kyoukai marathon stream until you do.

I'll be leaving in the morning but I'm off to bed pretty much now >.>

I'll be back home with stream capabilities on the 13/14th of september though >.>

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:57:27 PM »
Have I ever mentioned how awesome you are?

Heh, thanks <.<

I just enjoy helping people out, so I do what I can >.>

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:46:22 PM »
Huh. Neat.
Bumped you back at Heroic by the way.

Yeah >.>

Thanks, I was at legendary but I guess I ruffled a few feathers over something lol.

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:44:14 PM »
So like...do you actually do that for people? Do random people just go to you to talk to you over PMs and whatnot?

Hmm, a little of both <.<

If someone seems to be troubled then I'll ask them if everything is alright/offer to talk to them through PMs but equally sometimes people ask me and I do my best to help them out.

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The Flood / Re: UN Game: Fallout Edition
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:42:44 PM »
The outcasts begin to annex the carribean. 10%

When did you get boats? <.<

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:41:53 PM »

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:41:30 PM »
Is my participation in this situation unwanted?

Not at all <.<

I don't have a monopoly on listening to people heh >.>
If you are happy to talk to someone over what's troubling them then by all means have at it <.<

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Serious / Re: First world people have it so rough
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:40:01 PM »
I'm thinking we don't actually disagree as much as we think we do, there are just a lot of misconceptions flying around. On a semi-related note (completely shifting the tone of the conversation here) when you say that sentiment that I have quoted, do you mean to say that you don't want everyone to have an equal education and an equal opportunity in general, or do you mean you don't want them to have it if it means a worse education and less opportunities for the people at the top?

Indeed, that's why I've found this whole thing quite frustrating <.<
I'm on the same page as you, just a different subsection >.>

But yeah, shit's bound to get confusing on the internet.

I'll elaborate more and hopefully it will explain.

I think that everyone should be entitled to a good education, regardless of background. I'm not a fan of private schooling, simply because it denies a better education to people based on their financial status. The Etonian club in the UK parliament is quite a damning indicator of this, (All the powerful people in the current government went to the same two private schools barring one or two of them. Most were even in the same class IIRC) What I would like to see instead is a high quality standard schooling offered to everyone, with a more advanced schooling offered to people based on their merit/abilities rather than the wealth of their parents.

That's as likely to happen as pigs flying, so I tend to settle for the middle ground. Which is seperating the brightest students and giving them more challenging work, it's not discrimination to the poor or the stupid but encouraging the growth and achievement of the truly capable.

So whilst I'm obviously for a good education for everyone, I would like to see those at the top given additional time and support to make them into giants rather than keeping them in the homogenous mass and leaving them to turn out just better than average.

Private schooling does this, by only accepting the best and the brightest but the bitch of a catch is - They only let those in who can afford to pay their extortionate fees. Which would bankrupt most lower class families or leave them with a mountainous debt rivalling that of a university fee.

So I'd like to see a socialistic approach to cultivating those with the highest potential without necessarily trampling down those who just plain aren't.

And of course the typical argument is that intelligence shows in different people in different ways, which is of course true, but if someone is clearly an academic then that should be enough of a signifier that they would benefit from advanced schooling instead of someone who learns practically who would be best applied to something in the artisan lines of work <.<

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:30:24 PM »
>.>
Creepy.

Not really <.<

Tall and old actually means the same height and same age as me, with a month's difference in his favour <.<

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:29:48 PM »
Taking Mr. P's job in his absence?

I've hired Ember to fill in as a Psych Shill while I'm gone >.>

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:28:24 PM »
Cool, with you gone I'll be the smartest person in this forum!

Hehe, I think Meta is still the smartest chap on here though >.>

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:27:42 PM »
Was he young and short?

Tall and old <.<

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 06:39:25 PM »
Farewell sweet prince.
'Till we meet again.

I leave you with a final melody, to acompany you on your quest.

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YouTube

My friend came over for dinner today and while we were in the kitchen he started humming Pomf o____o

I nearly broke down in tears.

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 06:38:42 PM »
I was scared for a second there.

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Don't do that to me.

Sorreh <_<

I was doing a beetle.

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 06:07:18 PM »
you called

oy vey that was fast

How do you feel about plugging some psychobabble in my potential absence?
I can pay you in memes or fedoras <.<

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The Flood / Re: I'm leaving.
« on: September 05, 2014, 05:56:09 PM »
But then who will keep Le Dustbin occupied in that one thread?

I'll hire a shill to post for me for a while.

*scatters shekels on the ground*

*waits for ember*

<_<

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Serious / Re: First world people have it so rough
« on: September 05, 2014, 05:54:58 PM »
No, he means that everyone has a favorite Slice of Life animu that they wouldn't want go without being able to watch.

I hate to admit that Slice of Life is what came to mind when I read SoL <.<

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The Flood / I'm leaving, but thankfully it was only overnight :D
« on: September 05, 2014, 05:54:00 PM »
For my mum's tomorrow <.<

So I'm uncertain as to what kind of internet access I'll have for the next week. I'm hoping that I do have some down there but it might not be too... reliable/available w/e.

I know this should probably be a PM but there are so many people that I'd have to let know, that this is much easier <.<

So yeah, ama me anything. I can't drink the sun. Yuno it and rip in pieces.

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The Flood / Re: UN Game: Fallout Edition
« on: September 05, 2014, 05:51:59 PM »
Not sure whether to red text this or not <.<

Due to forseen and predicted circumstances, the BoS will be establishing a policy of AFK until further notice >.>

[I'll be travelling for the next couple of days and then I'm staying at my mum's so I don't know what my internet access will be like. I pray to shrek that it exists.]

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Serious / Re: First world people have it so rough
« on: September 05, 2014, 05:50:07 PM »
>doesn't read thread

Standards of living bro. I bet you'd complain if you were force to go a month without any A/C, hot water, toilet paper, and other commodities you have easy access to. Point is that everybody has a SoL

SoL = Standard of Living?

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The Flood / Re: So my neighbour's cat decided to come in through my window
« on: September 05, 2014, 04:37:20 PM »
The feline menace strikes again <.<

We must chase these monsters out of the country with saucepan lids and wooden spoons!

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Serious / Re: lol trade unions
« on: September 05, 2014, 03:49:47 PM »
YouTube


This was made a long time ago, but it's still as relevant as ever.

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Serious / Re: First world people have it so rough
« on: September 05, 2014, 03:47:40 PM »
That wasn't a serious comment mang

Good, I was seriously worried that you'd gone fully incoherent.

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Serious / Re: First world people have it so rough
« on: September 05, 2014, 03:47:12 PM »
You just blew past where I said that people in the first world don't have it perfect. If you were actually trying to work with me here you wouldn't have bothered with this part of your post.
Actually you are right on that part, for some reason I just didn't see it. I'm not covering my ass on it either, I just plain didn't see that part. Call it selective blindness if you want, but yeah.

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Okay now here is where the problem is and it's due to the negative influence of the sour culture of the forum. How many people do you actually think there are whose political agenda it is turn the privileged groups of society into oppressed minorities? Would you not say there are far more people who simply want equality? Would you not say that this group of people you don't like has so little political power with goals so unrealistic that to actually become an oppressed minority is not a threat at all? So why are you even concerned with it?
This is where I think it's important to once again draw a clear distinction.

I don't count SJWs as looking for equality, they are idiots on tumblr and twitter with an axe to grind against who they perceive to be oppressing them, when their examples are trivial at best and downright laughable at worst.
If you have a different definition of SJW then this is a miscommunication, but I don't count them as actually looking to make the world a better place at all. Just butthurt mirrors of the idiotic Fedorable MRA movement (Although that's technically a mirror of the SJWs)

The sour culture of the forum as you put it, is just how you perceive it here. It's not an attitude exclusive to this forum and it's certainly not rare on the internet to find people hacked off with SJW horseshit. I'm in the middle ground on it, I find it funny because I think that it's retarded but also annoying because it distracts from genuine issues faced by humanity, not just Men or Women. My bias/stake in this kind of crap is heavily leaning towards mental healthcare, when there is a person killing themself every fourty fucking seconds, I'm not sorry that I have no crocodile tears to shed over some landwhale shrieking about fat acceptance or some Fedoracore MRA saying how Rape is okay because it's natural. You assume that just because I don't like SJWs that I've been twisted/warped into someone who hates social justice when that's just plain wrong. I don't like it but I have other priorities that matter to me.

Do you get where I'm coming from yet?

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Read what I said to Madman earlier, too.
You may have a point here, but at the same time I simply see it as a running joke. Whenever door posts some bait, I put 'inb4fedoramaymays' because that's typically where his stance is associated with. Sorry door, but it is.
(Inb4edgybuzzwordmemes) And with the opposite side of the spectrum, it's SJWism that's the pisstake. It's hard to tell though, either you have never trolled/baited/pissed around (which I would genuinely find hard to believe) or you have (Like just about everyone on the internet has). When it's not clear that you are being serious, the default stance becomes trolling. For everyone. Because that's typically all you see on all sides of the spectrum.
/rambling.


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I'm pretty sure you're aware that there are statistics that show that people born poorer have a smaller chance to succeed. If the environment isn't a factor, then what is it? Have humans really undergone evolution that fast? It's easy to get caught up in the emotional, personal arguments, and as you can see, I've said nothing about where I come from.

I would argue that they have, not in any obviously overt manner but through whatever mechanism you want to call it, you have people who are born destined for the top. It's not exclusively genetics and it's not exclusively environmental but it's certainly to do with both.

Yeah, the people born at the bottom are unlikely to break through to the highest tiers of society. Is that unfair? Perhaps. Should we change everything ever to give people a perfectly equal chance to succeed? No.

Not because I oppose equality, but because that would mean dragging those at the top down. (I'm talking about schooling here). It is hard for me to see it from another perspective, because for whatever reason I ended up as a gifted child. I don't prance around and make a big deal of it, but it is relevant here. Despite being born into a poor family, I was a pretty smart little bastard. Then all the way until middle school I was constantly hamstrung by people who were thicker than me, I'd do all of the work in minutes while the class took an hour. I'd read a 600 page book in a day, whatever stupid examples you care to imagine and they apply. And yes, it has left me irritated because I didn't end up reaching my full potential, or even particularly close to it. Simply because I was stuck with a class of people who weren't at the same stage as I was. So that's why I end up biased on this particular front.

But don't try and apply that further than education, my personal axe to grind certainly clouds my judgement on it but that's my problem. It doesn't mean that I've been corrupted into some fascist idiot by a few trolls on a forum.

Seriously, if there is anything that still needs clearing up then fire away. What I won't stand for is someone claiming that I'm looking for sympathy, I'm being led astray by trolls or that I've been embittered by shitposting and Jaythenerdkid.

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Serious / Re: First world people have it so rough
« on: September 05, 2014, 03:23:34 PM »
Because both of you were on a track to seek sympathy from an INTJ personality type.

You what?

I'm not after sympathy, I'm explaining that not everyone has it easy in the first world simply because they are in the first world.

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Serious / So Iran is going to work with the US on ISIS now.
« on: September 05, 2014, 09:06:25 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29079052

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Iran's Supreme Leader has approved co-operation with the US as part of the fight against Islamic State (IS) in Iraq, sources have told BBC Persian.

Ayatollah Khamenei has authorised his top commander to co-ordinate military operations with the US, Iraqi and Kurdish forces, sources in Tehran say.

Iran has traditionally opposed US involvement in Iraq, an Iranian ally.

However, Shia Iran sees the extremist Sunni IS group, which views Shias as heretics, as a serious threat.

Last month US air strikes helped Iranian-backed Shia militia and Kurdish forces break a two-month siege by Islamic State of the Shia town of Amerli.

IS has taken over swathes of northern and western Iraq and eastern Syria in recent months.

US forces began carrying out air strikes on IS positions in August after they took over several cities in northern Iraq.
Elite unit

Ayatollah Khamenei has previously objected to outside "interference" - including by the US - in Iraq.

Now, Iran seems to have taken steps to work closer with the United States, says BBC Persian's Kasra Naji.

Sources say Ayatollah Khamenei has sanctioned Qasem Soleimani, the commander of the Quds Force - an elite overseas unit of the Revolutionary Guards - to work with forces fighting IS, including the US.
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Iran's Gen Qasem Soleimani
Major-General Qasem Soleimani Iran's Gen Qasem Soleimani has been planning a strategy to curb further advances of IS fighters

    Commander of the Quds Force, the Revolutionary Guard's elite overseas operations arm
    Widely credited with the strategy that helped Syria's government recapture key cities and towns from rebels
    More recently has been in Baghdad strengthening defences with the help of Iraqi Shia militias to stem the advance of IS
    Internet photos place him in northern Iraq at the time the siege of Amerli was broken

Iran's Qasem Soleimani wields power behind the scenes in Iraq
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Gen Soleimani has been active in the past few months in strengthening the defences of Baghdad with the help of Iraqi Shia militias.

His picture has appeared on the internet showing him in northern Iraq around the time of the breaking of the siege of Amerli - an indication that this co-operation may have already started.
'No boots on the ground'

Meanwhile, Nato leaders meeting at a summit in Wales say they want to form a military coalition to take on IS.
Iraqi Peshmerga fighters gesture as they take position at a post near the jihadist-held city of Zumar in Mosul province on 4 September 2014 Kurdish forces, pictured here, fighting with Iraqi soldiers have pushed IS back from parts of northern Iraq
An Iraqi Peshmerga fighter scans the area as he holds a position at a post near the jihadist-held city of Zumar in Mosul province - 4 September 2014 The US has been helping the offensive by carrying out air strikes on IS positions
A woman looks out from her tent at an internally displaced persons camp in Irbil, Iraq on Thursday 4 September 2014 Hundreds of thousands of people from communities targeted by IS have fled their homes

"We need to attack them in ways that prevent them from taking over territory, to bolster the Iraqi security forces and others in the region who are prepared to take them on, without committing troops of our own," Reuters news agency quotes US Secretary of State John Kerry as saying.

"Obviously I think that's a red line for everybody here: No boots on the ground," he said.

The brutality of IS - including mass killings and abductions of members of religious and ethnic minorities, as well as the beheadings of soldiers and journalists - has sparked outrage across the world.

Last month Iraqi and Kurdish forces pushed IS back from parts of northern Iraq, but the group still controls what it has declared as a caliphate stretching across Syria and Iraq.

Since the Islamic revolution in 1979, the US and Iran have had a fraught relationship.

Washington severed ties the following year after Iranian students occupied the US embassy in Tehran and took 52 Americans hostage.
Map of IS areas of control

There are a bunch of embedded pictures in the article so I'm not going to start copying them into the spoiler. It's best to read the page yourself <.<

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Gaming / Re: Those of you who mod FNV and Skyrim
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:54:53 AM »
I would post my Skyrim one but I recently cut the shit out of it so there are like two actual mods and 10 or so generic plugin/tweak like things.

And my Vegas one is pretty much the same but with even less >.>

It was Requiem and a few similar/supporting ones for Skyrim and After War Nevada for Vegas <.<

I did have fun stuff like Crimson tide, bloody dismemberment and killable children but it got annoying when the dragons started to eat the kids and deprive me of my fun ;-;

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Gaming / Re: Would you play a game that you lose?
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:51:16 AM »
Like "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream?"

Not sure, I've only seen the title of it <.<

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Serious / Re: First world people have it so rough
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:43:29 AM »
I was never asking you to feel guilty or responsible for the state of the world. You initially conveyed to me that poor people are unsuccessful because they're lazy, not because they don't have special opportunities like the people born into the first world. Whether you meant something else or whether you've moved on from that position is irrelevant, I'm just going to take it that we're closer to the same page than either of us originally believed. However there are still a few kinks we need to work out.
If that's how you interpreted it, then that's how you did. That certainly wasn't what I meant to convey. I've been taking this thread a bleedthrough/extension from the intelligence seperation thread, because it appeared to basically follow on from that.

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Firstly, and maybe as a psychologist
I'm not one yet.
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you should easily understand why people think like this, but no one wants to say they have it easy. I get that. I get that all the time in every argument with all kinds of people. I'm not new to seeing people whimper and cry about how hard they have it even though they're damned lucky to be where they are. Relative to the rest of the world, when they see you complaining about how hard you have it even though you live in a shelter designed by an engineer not built out of mud and sticks; even though you have easy access to food and water rather than relying that your UN shipment comes this month because you've been dislocated to avoid the war; even though you have easy access to healthcare because where you live they don't just keep reproducing to make up for the fact that the mortality rate is so high; even though your society forces you to get an education while the people on the other side of the world have to pay and beg to get an education. No I get it, no one lives a perfect life with no problems. But at this point you're just ignorantly blowing past the fact that there are billions of people in the world that would do anything to be born with opportunities and luxurious you should be so grateful for; opportunities and luxuries you did not work for, but simply born with.
As I have said numerous times, I am under no illusions that life in the developed world is far more luxurious than the third, even for those at the bottom of the ladder. But as I also keep saying, just because you have a house and clean water doesn't mean that you don't have to deal with other problems, and I don't mean trivial shit either. Broken families, rampant mental illness and oligarchs shitting down on whatever benefits the poorer to line their own pockets. Sure, maybe depression isn't as bad as living in a literal minefield, but that sure as fuck doesn't mean it's a walk in the park. Or having your family torn apart by psychosis and alcohol instead of war, the result is still the same. This is the point I've been trying to make, running water and a brick house doesn't make life a walk in the park, but it's clearly a grade above the third world living standards.

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Secondly, you've developed this irrational hatred of social justice. I've asked you before to define it, and I believe you do understand that it means equality. So here's the problem: because of the time you've been spending here, you've been influenced by the sour culture of this forum that there isn't such a thing as inequality. And I know what you're thinking, 'I don't hate social justice and inequality, I hate the Tumblr SJWs who hate men.'

Alright, this one again.

*sigh*

Right, I don't have a problem with social justice, equality or feminism. What I do have a problem with is Tumblr idiots, not because of some opposing ideology but because I find it insufferably annoying. And they can hate men all they want, I just won't give them the time of day. Not because they are Feminazis/SJWs/Whatever, but because they oppose or impede true equality and instead clog the place up with petty quibbling and bitching about downright absurd bollocks.

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Frankly, that's a meaningless distinction because you've never actually witnessed that culture for yourself, you just regurgitate the troll posts and form the conclusion that there's a real threat that men are going to become oppressed.
And you know this how? Oh wait, you don't. I have seen this shit firsthand, not just regurgitated troll posts as you call them. I find those funny, but that doesn't mean they are the only time I've seen SJW twonks.

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When you think about that logically, you can clearly see how ridiculous it is, but you subconsciously go along with that anyway and you let your self defense mechanism take over. For you, anyone who recognizes inequality is a SJW troll. That's how far you've fallen. Feel free to redeem yourself, but all your posts here show that clear enough.

Haha, just no. Seriously, that's just flat out incorrect. I'll elaborate after the next part.

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Look at the beginning of this thread: you were not even trying to give me logical arguments, you're calling me a SJW troll right off the bat and giving me emotional arguments about how maybe the poor people have it hard, but their problems still aren't as important as yours.
*sigh*
Like I said, I genuinely thought you were trolling here. I even sent you a PM over that, not because I think that anyone holding that view has to be trolling but because to put it simply, you bait or troll or whatever you want to call it. As I also said, if you seriously hold those views then I'll discuss them properly (as I am now of sorts). What I'm not entirely fond of is super duper serious discussions over shit because I just don't enjoy it, but anyway. And I've already addressed this point up there^

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Third of all, there's a reason why I'm even bothering to discuss this. Maybe you've noticed how cynical I've become when it comes to changing other people's minds, but if not, then just know that I don't even bother anymore. I find it both pointless and nearly impossible. The only time when I will bother is if I care about the people I'm talking to. And I know that both you and Meta are both logical and rational people. But you have to stop forming your arguments like walls around yourself and making self justification your number one priority. Look, I'm not asking you to feel guilty, I'm asking you to feel grateful, and even though I know it's hard to admit, but that you have it easier than others.

Yeah, I hit that same wall a long time ago.
Meta is probably the more logical/rational of the two of us, but that's really a side point <.<
As for defensive arguments and self justification, that's perhaps a fair point. It's also a natural reaction to an offensive argument (Not as in hurr offendud but you get what I mean).

This final part depends on your frame of referencing though, I fully accept that I have it much easier than any peasant in the third world and that's just not even up for questioning. Where I was bringing up the comparison was within the society, not across them.

When I compare myself with those who came from similar socio-economic backgrounds in school, (This is where my arguments ITT stem from, that NUT thread) I worked hard, I was born smarter or whatever explanation you want to choose for intelligence. While they played football I was reading books, while they were fucking around and going to parties, I was doing homework and additional subjects. So because I worked hard/was born bright, I ended up at the top end of the school with a shitload of GCSEs.
And the point about an enviroment not conducive to learning is one that I tend to call bollocks on, simply because I managed to do all this shit whilst looking after my three younger brothers (I was 12-15 for this period of time), my drunken and psychotic mother and any other shit that was thrown at us.

Anyway, that's a fuckload of typing and I still have to pack for tomorrow so I doubt I'll be back on until the evening and possibly not until tomorrow.

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