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14041
« on: November 01, 2014, 05:03:37 PM »
Who?
Who?
Who?
Of course you'd leave me out. Homo sapien.
>_> My apologies. Squirt.
14042
« on: November 01, 2014, 05:01:52 PM »
Like a record baby... Round, Round, Round, Round
14043
« on: November 01, 2014, 05:01:01 PM »
14044
« on: November 01, 2014, 05:00:38 PM »
...sperg?
I guess it's from Sperglord which is derived from Aspergers. So it's another way of saying autist.
14045
« on: November 01, 2014, 04:55:11 PM »
Ah good, well yes this isn't just random deprivations of liberty <.<
I'm quite relieved.
Just out of curiosity lets say someone was extremely depressed but caused no one any problems. They went through life despising and hating it. Let's say some new pill made him completely happy with no side-effects and for some reason he was just against taking pills. Would it be alright for a government to shove that pill down his throat? Let's even say he was glad and happy with the results and took the pill willingly after.
You probably won't like my answer, but I would say it is justifiable. I'm not all for it and I'm not running out to grab the funnel and the feeding tube but I think that if you are able to treat someone who is in that state of mind, then if they are opposed to it because they are in that state of mind then forcing it upon them and subsequently curing them results in the optimum outcome. The alternate one is to leave them alone until their inevitable suicide, I don't think it's right to stand by and allow that to happen if it's preventable. Life is precious and if people consider taking their own because of the fixable situation they are in then it's abhorrent and should be prevented <.<
14046
« on: November 01, 2014, 04:46:26 PM »
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/beingsectionedengland.aspx
Have a read through this, I know it's for britbongistan but see what you make of it.
Are people's liberties being infringed by this system?
I think the subject of prisons is an entirely different matter. Trust me, I have my problems there as well even with just normal people prisons. Things should be drastically different than they are now. We could discuss the countless variables like drug and prostitution prohibition all day long. All I was concerned with here is that a free person causing harm to no one but themselves isn't deprived their due process of law.
Ah good, well yes this isn't just random deprivations of liberty <.< I'm quite relieved.
14048
« on: November 01, 2014, 04:29:02 PM »
You can still hold them responsible for doing something wrong, otherwise disturbed people could murder whomever they wish and constantly get away with it. Obviously, but you don't hold them responsible in the same way as you would someone who is of sound mind. Their 'punishment' is actually to get them sent to appropriate help to make them well enough so they don't randomly kill people, or if that's not possible then to keep them in a safe place where they cannot do harm to others. That is when people ought to be restrained, and only WHEN proven to be irresponsible, which you'd still need to show someone is not mentally sound.
...Which is exactly what happens in a sectioning. They don't just grab them off the street willynilly .-. If they are determined a danger to others, then the section is authorised and carried out to take them to a hospital for treatment. There has to be proof they are unwell, proof that they are dangerous and proof that they need treatment. This is then evaluated and acted upon <.<
14049
« on: November 01, 2014, 04:07:37 PM »
International Space Treaty prohibits colonization, so no.
Wait, really? Does that mean any form of putting humans on mars or does it refer specifically to claiming territory for a country/state?
14050
« on: November 01, 2014, 03:23:22 PM »
in some cases it is necessary to carry out a section on them which deprives their liberty
That I will never agree with, nor does anyone have such authority.
*sigh* Well then I have to say it's a good thing such decisions aren't down to you. But I can see this is going nowhere, so I'll leave you be.
14051
« on: November 01, 2014, 03:17:13 PM »
Well clearly, but mental illness isn't something that can be controlled like that. It just simply isn't, people in that sort of condition have their mental state warped and altered by the illness and as such they cannot make the same rational choices that anyone else who is unaffected could.
I agree, and it's an unfortunate reality. I'm not sure what that has to do with liberty, though, and the right to life.
Well the reason the two are related is because in order for them to get better and to be able to actually live a fulfulling life they need treatment, in some cases it is necessary to carry out a section on them which deprives their liberty to an extent for a duration of time and then it's re-evaluated by a court and doctors as to whether it is still needed or not <.< If not, they are let out and placed into community care until such a time as they are no longer unwell <.<
14052
« on: November 01, 2014, 03:12:21 PM »
Being drunk is the result of your idiotic choices, you aren't responsible for becoming mentally ill.
You are responsible with managing your mentality, we all are. As long as you're not harming others without consent you're fine.
Well clearly, but mental illness isn't something that can be controlled like that. It just simply isn't, people in that sort of condition have their mental state warped and altered by the illness and as such they cannot make the same rational choices that anyone else who is unaffected could.
14053
« on: November 01, 2014, 03:04:44 PM »
I can't say I agree with the last sentence. At all.
I have to ask, you do understand compos mentis right? I think it's wrong to judge people as if they were accountable when they clearly are not able to make rational decisions for their actions.
I believe you are always responsible for your actions. If you can't control yourself you need to be restrained regardless of the reasons why you acted in such a way. I'm not against giving them help, either.
Expanding on that, it's why you can't use "I was drunk" as a legal defense. You're accountable for your actions even while impaired.
Being drunk is the result of your idiotic choices, you aren't responsible for becoming mentally ill.
14054
« on: November 01, 2014, 02:50:15 PM »
I'm simply addressing the fact that mutually agreeing adults performed an action in the original post and in the end someone was arrested. I don't feel that particular arrest was justified, nor do I see how someone's state of mind matters to their accountability. If you want to kill yourself in a disturbed state I support that right, just as I don't let it excuse those disturbed to do harm to others, and would hold such actions accountable.
I can't say I agree with the last sentence. At all. I have to ask, you do understand compos mentis right? I think it's wrong to judge people as if they were accountable when they clearly are not able to make rational decisions for their actions.
14055
« on: November 01, 2014, 02:48:37 PM »
GG CIA, GG.
14056
« on: November 01, 2014, 02:44:14 PM »
You think it's worse to section people who are mentally ill for treatment than to allow them to commit suicide and be eaten by other people?
Yes, in the sense I will die to defend freedom and prevent tyrants from taking it away.
*sigh*
I understand that, but the 'tyrants' are doctors and they have the responsibility to treat people who are not of sound mind. I hate pulling the experience card, but in this case it really is relevant.
Have you ever seen a section carried out? Have you ever sat and talked to someone who used to carry them out?
The people who get taken to the hospital aren't well, and they are always a danger to others or themselves. There was one case that my grandfather worked on, where they were sent to bring one gentleman in for treatment and they found him walking down the road carrying a sofa over his head because it was raining. It should be fairly obvious why that dangerous, to have a man of that kind of stature and strength with their mind in a mess is dangerous.
There are other cases where people who are sectioned have been found trying to ram a pair of scissors into a child's face because of the 'demons in their head'. It's not done to simply deprive people of their liberties but it's done to prevent them harming or killing themselves and others. Once they get better, they are released into community care and their family.
It really isn't some tyrannical regime out to lock up anyone who is a bit funny ._.
But suicide is illegal here, and I never said anything about harming others, which in itself is infringement no one is allowed to do. I don't deny mentally disturbed people exist, and wish everything for them to do better. Yes, I've known people that have committed suicide. My passion and principle can not be broken, though. I'd stand there trying to help them and stop anyone else from infringing upon them at the same time by letting them kill themselves if it is their decision. It's the same thing as despising what the Westboro Baptist Church does while still defending their freedom of speech.
"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society."
"It is strangely absurd to suppose that a million of human beings, collected together, are not under the same moral laws which bind each of them separately."
"It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent's refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by forcible transportation and education of the infant against the father's will."
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson
That doesn't mean we can't make things a lot better, or that making suicide illegal is a good approach in the first place.
I think you are missing the point here, this isn't about the majority oppressing the individual and no amount of quotes from Jefferson can change that some people need to be taken to hospital to be given the treatment they need. If it was about those with a physical affliction being forcibly given treatment then that would be a problem because for all points and purposes they are compos mentis. However the people in question are not, they aren't of sound enough mind to make decisions about their own welfare or healthcare. If they are ignored, they end up either stabbing someone (UK) or shooting up places (USA). In both cases, it's preventable and in both cases innocents are harmed and probably will die. Whether or not you agree about the state's rights vs those of the individual isn't really the point here, it's about people who are seriously unwell and suffering hallucinations or intrusive thoughts that are a hazard to those around them, or to themselves. Do you understand me? :l
14057
« on: November 01, 2014, 02:38:38 PM »
Fuck it, I'm moving the the netherlands.
14058
« on: November 01, 2014, 02:35:44 PM »
I did for a time, but now that's in the past. Mostly. I figured out what I'm meant to do with my life, I'm working towards that and I'm happy with it. ———————— Unrelated but Quite often, it's something that you have to look into and understand why. Trying to find a purpose is hard, I'd suggest figuring out what makes you happy and what you want first.
I would just like to say that I'm a huge fan of your country. Anti-semites need to pay for the Holocaust.
Shut up dustin.
14059
« on: November 01, 2014, 02:14:13 PM »
You think it's worse to section people who are mentally ill for treatment than to allow them to commit suicide and be eaten by other people?
Yes, in the sense I will die to defend freedom and prevent tyrants from taking it away.
*sigh* I understand that, but the 'tyrants' are doctors and they have the responsibility to treat people who are not of sound mind. I hate pulling the experience card, but in this case it really is relevant. Have you ever seen a section carried out? Have you ever sat and talked to someone who used to carry them out? The people who get taken to the hospital aren't well, and they are always a danger to others or themselves. There was one case that my grandfather worked on, where they were sent to bring one gentleman in for treatment and they found him walking down the road carrying a sofa over his head because it was raining. It should be fairly obvious why that dangerous, to have a man of that kind of stature and strength with their mind in a mess is dangerous. There are other cases where people who are sectioned have been found trying to ram a pair of scissors into a child's face because of the 'demons in their head'. It's not done to simply deprive people of their liberties but it's done to prevent them harming or killing themselves and others. Once they get better, they are released into community care and their family. It really isn't some tyrannical regime out to lock up anyone who is a bit funny ._.
14060
« on: October 31, 2014, 12:12:42 PM »
I'd rather have another Fate/Abridged episode. I know it's by another group, just saying.
They need to hurry up with that shit already <_<
I will be pretty pissed off if it dies like so many others :/
*glares at Mirai Nikki abridged*
The guy who writes it said he's having a hard year creative wise.
That sucks :l
14061
« on: October 31, 2014, 12:09:35 PM »
I'd rather have another Fate/Abridged episode. I know it's by another group, just saying.
They need to hurry up with that shit already <_< I will be pretty pissed off if it dies like so many others :/ *glares at Mirai Nikki abridged*
14062
« on: October 31, 2014, 12:07:21 PM »
It might be low hanging fruit, but it sure is delicious.
14063
« on: October 31, 2014, 11:31:51 AM »
Magneto was right
That's not exactly edgy >_>
14064
« on: October 31, 2014, 11:31:17 AM »
-Universe started 6,000 years ago. You know why? Because it's only then did we have the earliest recorded history so obviously the Earth, ergo everywhere didn't exist until then because God with all his wisdom created us then.
There is a difference between edgy and idiotic <_<
Meh. I'm sociopathic in that regard as I see little difference in most cases of edge-itis.
They are both equally stupid though >.>
14065
« on: October 31, 2014, 11:16:31 AM »
Yeah, still too warm in bongistan.
14066
« on: October 31, 2014, 11:03:02 AM »
You aren't of sound body and mind if you are allowing yourself to be eaten.
I agree, but I don't see how that gives anyone the capability to deny them their rights.
It's way too late for me to get into this one, but society has a responsibility to look after those unable to look after themselves properly. Letting the mentally ill commit suicide or consent to cannibalism violate this and is just straight up wrong.
Remind me to get back to this in the morning.
I agree we should do everything we can to hep the person, but to abuse our strentgth as a majority by infringing upon the person's will we are doing something far worse.
Alrighty, it's the morning <.< You think it's worse to section people who are mentally ill for treatment than to allow them to commit suicide and be eaten by other people?
14067
« on: October 31, 2014, 11:00:52 AM »
-Universe started 6,000 years ago. You know why? Because it's only then did we have the earliest recorded history so obviously the Earth, ergo everywhere didn't exist until then because God with all his wisdom created us then.
There is a difference between edgy and idiotic <_< That's some fine rustling material there though.
14068
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:20:10 AM »
I'm afraid nothing can ever top Anti-Natalism on that front.
14069
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:15:07 AM »
ALLAH AKBAR
14070
« on: October 31, 2014, 09:32:25 AM »
It's $35 for BOTH expansions
And it's such a good deal too.
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