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6871
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:41:19 PM »
yeah, of course its more complex than i may have made it seem. but just opening a dialogue with the consumers/gauging their approval (without just looking at dollar signs and units sold) is what im really aiming for. thats all i want, is transparency and accountability.
If I seem apathetic about season passes, that's only half-true. I realize that there are issues with the game industry and that this is going to take a lot of time, effort, and good-luck on the part of consumers to fight this. Nobody wins by suing McDonalds; complaining about EA won't do anything. They've won worst company of the year for the past three years or so, right? You don't win by complaining about season passes, you win by 1) not buying them, and 2) supporting developers who interact with their consumers, provide content for a reasonable price, and release a complete and quality product. Create examples of developers doing the right thing, and how that works out well for the developer. That gives incentives for others to follow suit.
6872
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:37:15 PM »
then you respond by not taking my post at face value.
youre gonna need to clarify this.
I explain that I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion with you, and that I don't understand why you think I'm being sarcastic Then you respond by telling me I'm still being sarcastic and snarky. Again, sorry, but would that not make you a bit flustered to constantly have your responses being read out of context because of an imagined issue? I've never had problem with you, Azu, but I would be lying if I said that this back and forth hasn't put me off from talking to you for a bit. It's a bit frustrating.
6873
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:33:45 PM »
no, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.
And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion.
If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you?
no, none of this sounds interesting to me. i dont play battlefront. i didnt think much of the first two games and nothing about this game makes me want to buy it. potentially buying the DLC is a non-issue for me and i have no opinion on the content's effect on the game itself.
I can't help but ask why you are posting then; you don't care about the game, or even the series. If you don't want to talk about the game, then why get mad at me for not talking about it?
like i said earlier, the DLC is just an aspect of a larger conversation. i posted my thoughts on that larger conversation in the first page of this thread.
see i can understand companies wanting to make more money where they can. its just, it seems to callous and matter-of-fact, the way they do these things. they dont ask the community what kinds of things we'd like to see in extra content, or how much we'd be willing to pay for a certain amount/type of content, etc. they just decide to reserve certain game modes or items for DLC instead of the base game, cut that content from vanilla and sell it separate, and pretend like everything is hunky-dory.
there needs to be an effective dialogue between developers/publishers and the consumers where these things are concerned. but so many people buy this shit without question anyway that the devs and publishers have no real reason to change things.
And I take no beef with that logic; I do have to point out though, that asking what extra content the consumer wants would backfire. You only have to look at Augment Your Pre-Order to see that, where people where getting pissed that they would be locked out of other content based on their choices (among other things). It's not as clear-cut as giving the consumer more choice, and I don't think people are opposed to more conversation between developers and customers-- it's just going to take a lot of time and cases to build up that argument to the point that it could be brought up and applied to a company like EA.
6874
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:30:33 PM »
EDIT: And I don't understand why you think everything I'm saying is sarcastic or hostile. I'm sorry if I'm a little flustered, but you've been hostile since you started talking to me. I'm just trying to stop talking about muh feelings and go back to the topic. If you want to assume that I'm just trying to insult you, then feel free, but just know that I'm not.
i never said everything. you made one post that you say i misinterpreted as sarcasm and youve made a few blatantly snarky comments about my character/the character of people like me.
This whole back and forth with you saying that my initial response to the topic is shitty and useless; I'm sorry, but prior to that, I don't think I had directly responded to you, much less have been snarky. When I point out that the topic itself is really obvious, you redefine the parameters of the discussion to talking about the contents of the season pass. I respond to ask about the topic then, assuming that's what you talk about; then you act like I didn't read the OP (because apparently I said it very snarkily, which going back over the post, seems completely imagined). And now here we are, on page 4: no, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.
I explain that I wasn't being sarcastic by asking you about the contents of the season pass (again, because from what I've seen, there isn't anything to discuss) and tell you that it's a little frustrating that you aren't taking me at face value... then you respond by not taking my post at face value. So please, stop acting like I'm being needlessly hostile here when you've been snarking me the entire thread.
6875
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:20:58 PM »
no, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.
And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion.
If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you?
no, none of this sounds interesting to me. i dont play battlefront. i didnt think much of the first two games and nothing about this game makes me want to buy it. potentially buying the DLC is a non-issue for me and i have no opinion on the content's effect on the game itself.
I can't help but ask why you are posting then; you don't care about the game, or even the series. If you don't want to talk about the game, then why get mad at me for not talking about it?
6876
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:14:23 PM »
no, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.
And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion. If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you? EDIT: And I don't understand why you think everything I'm saying is sarcastic or hostile. I'm sorry if I'm a little flustered, but you've been hostile since you started talking to me. I'm just trying to stop talking about muh feelings and go back to the topic. If you want to assume that I'm just trying to insult you, then feel free, but just know that I'm not.
6877
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:09:43 PM »
you seem really flustered about this and all i can really say is that if you truly care as little as you seem to want me to think you do, why are you even bothering to post about it
I'm flustered because you'd imply that I didn't read the OP. I read it, and what I got was that everyone is making a mountain of a molehill here. Circlejerks are for teenage boys experimenting with their sexuality, not discussion.
And if you've gathered that impression of me from this thread, then you're sadly wrong; I'm just reserving my judgement for when we actually know something instead of being a reactionary half-wit.
when you sarcastically ask me what the article said, of course im going to sarcastically reply. no need to be an asshole about it. play along like youre a reasonable person instead of jumping to personal attacks.
I wasn't being sarcastic, Azu, I assumed that you wanting to discuss the contents of the season pass meant you knew something I didn't. I'm sorry that you assumed I was being sarcastic and not genuinely trying to talk to you. I'm only going to act hostile if you act condescending; that seems fair enough to me, no?
6878
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:05:17 PM »
I also object.
I hate starwars, but if it was battlefield then duh I'd buy the season pass.
Literally talking about that tho
6879
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:04:36 PM »
you seem really flustered about this and all i can really say is that if you truly care as little as you seem to want me to think you do, why are you even bothering to post about it
I'm flustered because you'd imply that I didn't read the OP. I read it, and what I got was that everyone is making a mountain of a molehill here. Circlejerks are for teenage boys experimenting with their sexuality, not discussion. And if you've gathered that impression of me from this thread, then you're sadly wrong; I'm just reserving my judgement for when we actually know something instead of being a reactionary half-wit.
6880
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:00:24 PM »
OBJECTION
Shut up, go back to wearing your sister's jumpers and drinking coffee.
6881
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:59:22 PM »
I get that OP was bitching a lot anyway, but going "oh shut up about this genuine problem because you talk too much" is just stupid.
Nobody's saying that tho
Well, I got that impression from Tru and Psy's comments.
This for example
The children are but looking for ways to nitpick at people who enjoyed the beta oh so much.
>T6 >Psy Literally the target audience for this. They would have bought every piece of DLC at full price if there wasn't a season pass. They are the kind of people that benefit from this shit.
6882
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:57:46 PM »
I really hope no one in this thread is saying: "They always do it, so it's ok"
More like "Why is this a surprise, they always do this."
which is an equally shitty, useless thing to say
And it's useful to state that there's a season pass when any person who's heard the name "EA" knew there would be one?
its useful to talk about the content in that pass compared to its price, giving us a metric for comparison with other passes from EA and other companies. in turn, that can stimulate discussion about patterns in corporate exploitation and what we, as consumers, can do to stop this stuff from happening.
Alright. Do we know what's in the season pass besides the Hero game mode?
"4 expansion packs, early access to the expansions by 2 weeks, an exclusive "Shoot First" emote and the promise of more details in the coming weeks."
this is the very first thing in the OP article
Thanks Azu, I'm illiterate. So it doesn't say what's in the expansions? How much will they be sold for individually? How many maps? Will they include new game modes as well? What about heroes? Will new game modes be limited to the maps in that pack, or will they be applicable to past and future maps? We don't know shit, Azu. There's nothing to discuss until there's something to discuss. I'm sorry that I don't want to circlejerk with you.
6883
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:53:04 PM »
I really hope no one in this thread is saying: "They always do it, so it's ok"
More like "Why is this a surprise, they always do this."
which is an equally shitty, useless thing to say
And it's useful to state that there's a season pass when any person who's heard the name "EA" knew there would be one?
its useful to talk about the content in that pass compared to its price, giving us a metric for comparison with other passes from EA and other companies. in turn, that can stimulate discussion about patterns in corporate exploitation and what we, as consumers, can do to stop this stuff from happening.
Alright. Do we know what's in the season pass besides the Hero game mode?
6884
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:52:08 PM »
I get that OP was bitching a lot anyway, but going "oh shut up about this genuine problem because you talk too much" is just stupid.
Nobody's saying that tho It's just r u d e to rag on people for stating the obvious in a thread which topic states the obvious.
6885
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:50:46 PM »
I really hope no one in this thread is saying: "They always do it, so it's ok"
More like "Why is this a surprise, they always do this."
It's not a surprise, but having a negative reaction to a bad thing isn't a bad thing in itself, even if the bad thing in question is a usual occurance.
And if you do say so, then you're part of the problem tbh.
I don't ever buy season passes tbh, preordering is only for Collector's Editions Season passes are shit, but they are for the people who would have bought everything anyway, regardless of quality. Not level-headed persons.
6886
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:48:20 PM »
I really hope no one in this thread is saying: "They always do it, so it's ok"
More like "Why is this a surprise, they always do this."
which is an equally shitty, useless thing to say
And it's useful to state that there's a season pass when any person who's heard the name "EA" knew there would be one?
6887
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:45:24 PM »
I really hope no one in this thread is saying: "They always do it, so it's ok"
More like "Why is this a surprise, they always do this."
6888
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:30:55 PM »
Bloodletting.
I read that in an alternative medicine guide.
Make sure to bleed at least 2.5 liters or the anxiety will come back.
6889
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:18:56 PM »
Oh no
Who could have foreseen this?
Now, now my child
The children are but looking for ways to nitpick at people who enjoyed the beta oh so much.
by all means, let EA pound your ass with overpriced day1 DLC
It's EA, why wouldn't there be an expensive season pass?
well, there would be. until people stop buying it. 
Yeah, that's not going to happen. They'd just continue to charge $20 per expansion otherwise, and the people who religiously play these games would buy them all anyway. That's why the season pass model works, because it genuinely saves money for the people who love the games.
6890
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:11:52 PM »
Oh no
Who could have foreseen this?
Now, now my child
The children are but looking for ways to nitpick at people who enjoyed the beta oh so much.
by all means, let EA pound your ass with overpriced day1 DLC
It's EA, why wouldn't there be an expensive season pass?
6891
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:01:52 PM »
Oh no
Who could have foreseen this?
6892
« on: October 12, 2015, 06:00:51 PM »
I'm not surprised in the slightest. Most multiplayer titles these days have season passes.
None of which are fucking $50.
Except for the Battlefield games.
6893
« on: October 12, 2015, 04:12:07 PM »
Life? No idea.
Intelligent life? Ultra rare.
6894
« on: October 12, 2015, 04:03:21 PM »
gametypes that nobody likes or plays
6895
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:11:36 PM »
The biggest problem in the US is that we always want one thing to solve all of our problems. And the truth is, these aren't problems that can just be fixed with a couple of laws; it requires understanding that they are complicated issues that require a lot of changes, not only in legislature, but also society itself.
6896
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:59:55 PM »
Umm... You do know this didn't start with me, right? you're the first person i've ever seen talk about this pressing issue, yes
It's observed in California, Washington, South Dakota, and Minnesota instead of Columbus Day.
6897
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:33:30 PM »
But there are ONLY European holidays being celebrated. That's what we are discussing here, repurposing one of them...
What is Cinco de Mayo
What is Christmas
What is Easter
What is the 4th of July
What is President's Day
What is MLK Day
What is César Chávez Day
What is San Jacinto Day
All but Cinco De Mayo (which isn't celebrated in Mexico) are all religious or don't mention the people who were already here.
There are no holidays celebrating those who were here.
>Moving the goalpost You said the only holidays observed are European holidays; that is factually untrue. And nobody is saying there shouldn't be a holiday about the people who were here first. It's just silly to change a different holiday to justify it. Make it June 29th, or October 11th, or even October 12th; more than one holiday can be observed in the same day. Just don't push this idea that Columbus day is just a celebration of wanton murder and destruction, because it isn't.
6898
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:14:15 PM »
Considering you live in a western nation, you will get highlights of European holidays. He never said it was the ONLY one worth celebrating, only that it contributed a huge amount on the world.
But there are ONLY European holidays being celebrated. That's what we are discussing here, repurposing one of them...
What is Cinco de Mayo What is Christmas What is Easter What is the 4th of July What is President's Day What is MLK Day What is César Chávez Day What is San Jacinto Day
6899
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:10:47 PM »
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.
Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.
It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".
Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.
Why is Europe so special that it holds primacy over everyone else?
Probably because that, over the continent, Europe has collectively owned the entire world over the course of history. So yeah, Europe is pretty important historically. Which is the point of Columbus day, to commemorate a historically important event: Columbus' discovery of America.
So Europe is the ONLY region worthy of celebration?
 I didn't say that Europe is the only region worth celebrating, I'm explaining why a holiday based on European discovery is about European discovery. I'm not opposed to an Indigenous People Day, as it's own holiday; there's just simply no logical reason to change a holiday in observance of Western expansion to one of the pre-existing natives. The native peoples didn't arrive in America on October 12th, either, as far as I'm aware.
6900
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:54:11 AM »
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.
Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.
It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".
Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.
Why is Europe so special that it holds primacy over everyone else?
Probably because that, over the continent, Europe has collectively owned the entire world over the course of history. So yeah, Europe is pretty important historically. Which is the point of Columbus day, to commemorate a historically important event: Columbus' discovery of America.
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