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6721
« on: October 19, 2015, 12:26:15 AM »
I just want to lay in bed all day and slowly die, but I have to do stupid shit like work, go to school, and breathe.
6722
« on: October 19, 2015, 12:23:32 AM »
I'm not saying that you can't think he's funny. Click is one of my favorite movies of all time, and that's an Adam Sandler film. I'm not really in the position to judge people for what they think is funny. I'm just explaining why I think that Jar Jar was a pointless character.
6723
« on: October 19, 2015, 12:18:06 AM »
I didn't say that was my main complaint in any way. I'm just saying that it was a bit shoddy at times, which I'm sure you could agree with. It's not that it was ever bad, it just tried to be both too much like the OT while trying to be a completely new work; when you try to be two completely different things, you fail at both.
The Trade Federation is supposed to be the Empire, but there's no Darth Vader. Jar Jar is the comic relief (otherwise C3-P0's role, even in the film too), but he doesn't manage to be anything more than that (which gets monotonous). Anakin and Obi-Wan are both Luke-ish characters, like they hadn't decided yet whether they wanted the Prequels to center around Anakin or not yet.
None of it was bad, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't fall flat every time. Revenge of the Sith found the perfect balance between homage and innovating the story, and that's why it's tied for the #2 spot for me.
It isn't my favorite in the series, either--I just think there's more prudent things to criticize. You mentioned the chase length in AotC? The podrace in Episode I was that times ten (even though it was spectacular display of special effects). And they threw in Jabba the Hutt in for no reason. The point is, Anakin won--the race probably didn't need to drag on for as long as it did.
I agree the pod race went on too long. Admittedly, I don't remember it being that bad; but even saying it was, that doesn't mean it's the only thing I can talk about. The entire thing this dialogue erupted from was me saying that, despite its flaws, TPM is still much better than AotC.
6724
« on: October 19, 2015, 12:13:51 AM »
And when all of your protagonists (the people you're supposed to relate to) all loathe him, why are we supposed to like him?
i can't believe you actually asked this question
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButtMonkey
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FunnyBackgroundEvent
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Foil
I like him because he's funny. He lightens up the mood and serves as a foil for some of the more annoyingly stoic characters like Qui-Gon. It's hard not to root for him during the Naboo siege, and when he gets promoted to general at the end for his actions, you feel happy for him. At least, you're supposed to. I did. Since he's generally looked at as a buffoon, even by everyone in-universe, it's heartwarming to see him finally being embraced by his people at the end.
How you can not like that, I have no idea.
See, there's a difference between being the butt of the joke (again, C3-P0 was nearly every time in the other films) and having pieces of the cast actually wish Qui-Gon hadn't saved him, or being annoyed with having to constantly treat him like a child. Nothing you just linked gives a reason for actual loathing. If anything, it reinforces the fact that C3-P0 did everything that Jar Jar did, but ten times better. He's supposed to be funny, which he was. . . when I was seven, and ANY jokes would have been okay. Not because they're actually funny, but because I was seven. I can still watch the OT, RotS, and even parts of AotC where I might break a smile or giggle-- but humor was the one place that TPM totally blew it. Everything else was meh-tier at worst.
6725
« on: October 19, 2015, 12:04:59 AM »
also the trade federation was pretty explicitly palpatine's arm-up, and could be described as the antagonist
That's the problem. A corporation is kind of a big entity. You can give a name for something all you want, but we never got a face to use as reference. And if we did, if was more like a room full of people who don't look menacing or threatening. That's what made A New Hope good: Darth Vader was a clear and persistent antagonist from the first scene of the movie. The Empire is one of his weapons (what the Trade Federation should have been instead of THE big bad), but it was used to support his threat and not replace or rank equal to him.
No, I don't think you need a face, though. Just because it's the most common form of conflict (man vs. man) doesn't mean it's the only way.
Man vs. nature, man vs. society, and man vs. corporation (in this case) have all been done and done well in the past--and I think TPM did it just as well. I've heard better complaints about the film than that.
I didn't say that was my main complaint in any way. I'm just saying that it was a bit shoddy at times, which I'm sure you could agree with. It's not that it was ever bad, it just tried to be both too much like the OT while trying to be a completely new work; when you try to be two completely different things, you fail at both. The Trade Federation is supposed to be the Empire, but there's no Darth Vader. Jar Jar is the comic relief (otherwise C3-P0's role, even in the film too), but he doesn't manage to be anything more than that (which gets monotonous). Anakin and Obi-Wan are both Luke-ish characters, like they hadn't decided yet whether they wanted the Prequels to center around Anakin or not yet. None of it was bad, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't fall flat every time. Revenge of the Sith found the perfect balance between homage and innovating the story, and that's why it's tied for the #2 spot for me.
6726
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:58:41 PM »
No, C-3P0 was the C-3P0 of the movie--Jar Jar was his own character, and he was funny.
You can argue that the fact that they made it so Anakin was the one who invented C-3P0 all along was stupid and didn't make any sense, but ultimately, it's a series designed for kids and family, so who gives a fuck.
C3-P0 didn't have any accidentally-did-something-good-on-accident scenes, or really any funny scenes in TPM. That doesn't even bother me; I just don't know why Jar Jar was a thing. They ended up reverting to the Hidden Fortress dynamic between C3-P0 and R2-D2 in the rest of the trilogy, which minimized Jar Jar's role down to nothing (because C3-P0 became the comic relief again). All Jar Jar did was "hurry durrrr look I'm so stupid" comedy; he had no dynamic with the cast besides being loathed. And when all of your protagonists (the people you're supposed to relate to) all loathe him, why are we supposed to like him?
6727
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:51:23 PM »
also the trade federation was pretty explicitly palpatine's arm-up, and could be described as the antagonist
That's the problem. A corporation is kind of a big entity. You can give a name for something all you want, but we never got a face to use as reference. And if we did, if was more like a room full of people who don't look menacing or threatening. That's what made A New Hope good: Darth Vader was a clear and persistent antagonist from the first scene of the movie. The Empire is one of his weapons (what the Trade Federation should have been instead of THE big bad), but it was used to support his threat and not replace or rank equal to him.
6728
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:47:43 PM »
Phantom Menace was okay if you treat it as Obi-Wan's story. I think the biggest problem was that it didn't have a central antagonist (yeah you see Darth Sidious a few times, but he doesn't really carry anything in terms of the movie), meaning you don't get the kind of tight focus that it really needed. It was much better paced, even if it was layered in cheese and Jar Jar (who was pretty bad comic relief even by SW standards).
I'd rather have a cheesy movie than one that I remember for being forgettable/memorable for a lot of bad things.
Fuck you Jar Jar was amazing.
They tried to make him the C3-P0 of the movie, but even sillier because he doesn't sound smart. The only things he does in the movie is almost get run over, get yelled at by his people for being an embarrassment, repeatedly maim himself on accident on Tatooine, and then accidentally destroy a Droid army on accident (where the C3-P0 parallelism is easier to see). I mean, if you think watching a lanky lizard that speaks with a squeeky pseudo-Jamaican accident paralyze his face is funny, then that's nice for you. But I think it was stupid; he wasn't the worst part of the movie, but he wasn't good either.
6729
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:39:15 PM »
The Droid factory was just a clusterfuck of like three different "Oh no! The hero is in trouble!" sequences where we already knew two out of three would be fine (because they are in the original trilogy) This is actually a pretty good point. I can understand how a lot of the tension would be lost, considering you basically already know that everyone who is in peril will survive, because they literally have to. That's a good point, and it's one of the unavoidable flaws of having a set of prequels. There's no real conflict in the sense that all the characters have plot armor.
That's why the prequels tried to be more of a character study, though. Whether or not it did a good job is up to you. I think they did a great job.
Phantom Menace was okay if you treat it as Obi-Wan's story. I think the biggest problem was that it didn't have a central antagonist (yeah you see Darth Sidious a few times, but he doesn't really carry anything in terms of the movie), meaning you don't get the kind of tight focus that it really needed. It was much better paced, even if it was layered in cheese and Jar Jar (who was pretty bad comic relief even by SW standards). I'd rather have a cheesy movie than one that I remember for being forgettable/memorable for a lot of bad things.
6730
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:21:34 PM »
Are you sure it was only 10 minutes? Because the last time I watched it I ended up fast forwarding through it because it just dragged on forever. Like, that entire scene is to me what Hoth is to you. It's just not good. The CGI doesn't make the pace bad (that's not what I'm saying lol), the pacing sucking combined with mediocre CGI makes the CGI, which would otherwise be overlooked in a good film, more of a glaring fault. Even before the chase itself, it's just Anakin being angsty and infatuated with Padmé. One of those things that I would always skip if it didn't have relevance (inside the film, not the series).
And then there's the romance subplot that somehow managed to take up a good chunk of the movie, when it should have been like 5 minutes of continuous romance at MOST. I realize you already agree with that, but holy fuck what was Lucas thinking?
Everything on Geonosis until the Clones show up is just mediocre.
I linked you to the scene there on YouTube, so yeah--the scene is actually less than ten minutes if you actually cut out the part where they finally catch who they're chasing after.
I still say the CGI was good, though. Oversaturated? Okay, fine. It's George Lucas. But mediocre? Nuh-uh. Especially not for the time. That scene where C-3PO is bumbling around that big foundary? How don't you remember that?
I still don't see how the pacing's bad, either. I realize you don't remember the movie that much, but surely you could come up with some examples...
I mean, I would consider catching the would-be Assassin to be part of the scene. It's just driving a car for a long time. There's nothing really going on in it-- I just feel like I should be on the edge of my seat instead of trying not to fall asleep. And that's another thing. If mediocre CGI (which I would say about any movie released at the time) is lightly used, it's great; if it's oversaturated, then it's okay; if it's oversaturated and you have to constantly rewind the movie to remember what just happened (because falling asleep), it's unbearable. My first example of pacing is the chase scene; even if it's 10 minutes long, the fact that I've watched the movie twice in the past two months and still remember it as being twice that length says something about how stretched out it seems. The romance scenes were just unnecessary, but the scene in the fields lasted way too long even if they really wanted that romance angle. The Droid factory was just a clusterfuck of like three different "Oh no! The hero is in trouble!" sequences where we already knew two out of three would be fine (because they are in the original trilogy), and the third kind of weird how they shot the angles (seriously, how many times do you think the pot she's in is next in line when it isn't?). I can't say I remember a single Jedi Temple scene, 90% of Obi-Wan's investigating (outside of bits and pieces of Kamino), or the tatooine scene other than Anakin riding through sand, talking to his mother, and then leaving the tent to start killing Sand People (I think that might have been the entire scene, actually). Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi are hard to watch in some scenes (because they get silly), but Attack of the Clones just reeks of "missed opportunity". You just can't call it Attack of the Clones and then only show (or even talk about) the Clones for such a tiny part of the run-time.
6731
« on: October 18, 2015, 10:56:42 PM »
The chase scene on Corusant went on for like, 15 minutes longer than it should have. A mixture of mediocre CGI and terrible pacing make it hard to remember anything significant that happened outside of anything related to the Clones (because that was the only important part other than Anakin's massacre that wasn't a butchered mess).
The chase scene was only ten minutes and was divided into two distinct sections--let's not be silly here. You don't have to like the scene, but it wasn't too long.
How does CGI affect your ability to remember shit? It wasn't even that bad, certainly not "mediocre"...
And I didn't really think the pacing was bad, either. I dunno.
Are you sure it was only 10 minutes? Because the last time I watched it I ended up fast forwarding through it because it just dragged on forever. Like, that entire scene is to me what Hoth is to you. It's just not good. The CGI doesn't make the pace bad (that's not what I'm saying lol), the pacing sucking combined with mediocre CGI makes the CGI, which would otherwise be overlooked in a good film, more of a glaring fault. Even before the chase itself, it's just Anakin being angsty and infatuated with Padmé. One of those things that I would always skip if it didn't have relevance (inside the film, not the series). And then there's the romance subplot that somehow managed to take up a good chunk of the movie, when it should have been like 5 minutes of continuous romance at MOST. I realize you already agree with that, but holy fuck what was Lucas thinking? Everything on Geonosis until the Clones show up is just mediocre.
6732
« on: October 18, 2015, 10:47:12 PM »
I always felt that Ewoks taking out fully fledged fighting machine imperials was akin to child fantasy. It was insanely stupid and unrealistic. Someone said it was supposed to be Wookies, which would have been much better.
Oh well, at least I can take solace in the fact that the death star blowing up = that whole planet fucked
GL's main stake was in the family audience. After ESB, he needed to tie it up in a way that wasn't PG-13 while simultaneously selling a buttload of merchandise.
6733
« on: October 18, 2015, 10:44:01 PM »
Hoth, Asteroid Field, Dagobah, Cloud City. I even remember the in-between scenes with Vader on the Star Destroyer and coming out of his meditation chamber.
I remember those scenes because something happened in them. Granted, it's odd that I forgot about the scene with Anakin's mother, but most of Episode II is slice-of-life shit, crawling through ducts, or a chase scene that went on for WAAAAAY too long. Things happened in AotC as well, though?... I could probably explain the entire plot right now if I were so inclined.
All I can think of when it comes to Empire is that boring-ass fucking Hoth battle that I feel the urge to skip every time I watch it, and "im ur father."
The only legitimate criticism for AotC that there is, really, is the terrible romance that consumed the plot.
The chase scene on Corusant went on for like, 15 minutes longer than it should have. A mixture of mediocre CGI and terrible pacing make it hard to remember anything significant that happened outside of anything related to the Clones (because that was the only important part other than Anakin's massacre that wasn't a butchered mess).
6734
« on: October 18, 2015, 10:35:43 PM »
AotC was great, you faggots.
Yeah, Padmé looking at framed gifs and frolicking in dandelion fields with Anakin in was a great movie.
Only good parts were the Battle of Geonosis and the end of Kamino.
And the scene where Anakin finds his mother, where his start of darkness takes place.
That scene was good, I forgot about that. Kind of like 50% of the movie.
I can't remember 70% of Empire.
seriously it was godawful you're all stupid ugh
Hoth, Asteroid Field, Dagobah, Cloud City. I even remember the in-between scenes with Vader on the Star Destroyer and coming out of his meditation chamber. I remember those scenes because something happened in them. Granted, it's odd that I forgot about the scene with Anakin's mother, but most of Episode II is slice-of-life shit, crawling through ducts, or a chase scene that went on for WAAAAAY too long. ROTS is good despite its cheesy dialogue. It's one of the best paced movies in the series, and a lot of HABBENINGS happen.
6735
« on: October 18, 2015, 10:31:42 PM »
AotC was great, you faggots.
Yeah, Padmé looking at framed gifs and frolicking in dandelion fields with Anakin in was a great movie.
Only good parts were the Battle of Geonosis and the end of Kamino.
And the scene where Anakin finds his mother, where his start of darkness takes place.
That scene was good, I forgot about that. Kind of like 50% of the movie.
6736
« on: October 18, 2015, 10:28:26 PM »
IV > III = V > VI > I > II
6737
« on: October 18, 2015, 10:26:56 PM »
AotC was great, you faggots.
Yeah, Padmé looking at framed gifs and frolicking in dandelion fields with Anakin in was a great movie. Only good parts were the Battle of Geonosis and the end of Kamino.
6738
« on: October 18, 2015, 09:54:20 PM »
Are you ready for KOWASHITAI?
6739
« on: October 18, 2015, 09:52:45 PM »
I know a few franchise businesses around here are putting up Christmas decorations on November 1st. That's ridiculous.
6740
« on: October 18, 2015, 12:30:43 PM »
No idea, I don't feel like doing the math to figure it out.
6741
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:36:34 AM »
Oracle of Ages/Seasons HD when?
those games were butt
Lies and libel
6742
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:32:31 AM »
Oracle of Ages/Seasons HD when?
6743
« on: October 17, 2015, 12:51:42 PM »
Last of Us Remastered
DmC: Devil May Cry Definitive Edition
Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Remastered
Grand Theft Auto V Remastered
Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition
Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition
Dead or Alive 5: Last Round
God of War 3 Remastered
Oddworld: Abe's Odyssey New and Tasty
Metro Redux
Injustice: God's Among Us - Definitive Edition
Warriors Orochi 3: Ultimate
Borderlands 2: Handsome Collection
Toukiden: Kiwami
Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition
Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin
Final Fantasy X/X2 HD Remastered
Devil May Cry 4 Remastered
6744
« on: October 17, 2015, 12:46:36 PM »
Dragon Age II, or at least the ones release up through the first weeks of its launch.
6745
« on: October 17, 2015, 10:19:08 AM »
There was this one dude that just loved Sweden, like he would just constantly go on about it, it was quite annoying.
Bernie Sanders stayed at your house?
6746
« on: October 17, 2015, 08:48:49 AM »
When to hang out at the park with a friend ("Tyler") to meet a friend of a friend ("Derek"). After a while, it turned out that Derek was locked out of his house so we offered him to stay over at mine (Tyler was staying over anyway, so it wouldn't be weird).
Long story short, Derek emotional exploded (in tears) about three times that night-- where he ran out into my backyard every time-- and constantly hit on Tyler and indirectly me.
I avoided Derek until he moved.
6747
« on: October 16, 2015, 11:21:32 PM »
1% though
6748
« on: October 16, 2015, 11:04:00 PM »
Did you have to clean the frosty machine or run drive-through?
6749
« on: October 16, 2015, 10:27:51 PM »
It's literally about TV
I know, but Bradbury is being a fucking puritan when he insists it's only relevant to that theme. Of course TV takes a role--it's the thing taking up so many people's time--but it's ridiculous to deny the undercurrent of self-censorship in the book; books are burned literally because they promote dissenting/uncomfortable thought, the whole situation came about (as Montag is told by the fire chief) because people's emotions were placed as paramount, and anything that upset anybody was immediately suppressed.
I hold the belief that there's no such thing as a fake take-away; if you walk away from 451 thinking "wow, censorship is really bad", then that's cool. He actually left out an entire chapter between the protagonist and the firechief that detailed why the Chief enjoys doing what he does, and it was a great chapter; but he took it out because it supported the notion that the book was about censorship. Puritan is an understatement; he was the lord over his dominion and pissed in the cereal of anyone who didn't see as he did.
6750
« on: October 16, 2015, 10:20:24 PM »
I'd recommend Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury. One of my favorite books, and basically sums up the direction society is going in, at least in my opinion.
I hope you're not talking about censorship because the book isnt about censorship, and Bradbury would be rolling in his grave over that.
I'm pretty sure he means consensual censorship; the self-policing of thought and ideas.
It's not about censorship at all; Bradbury walked out on a lecture when the students he was speaking to continued to insist it was. It's literally about TV; he saw a future where people stopped reading and thinking critically because it was easier to be entertained than do so. You could argue that is happening to some degree, but the book isnt about censorship. He also hated the shit out of the internet for the same reasons.
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