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6301
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:24:59 PM »
Holy shit shut the fuck up this argument is retarded
2Late, already done talking about it. :^)
6302
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:23:39 PM »
Ok I take it back.
Kek. This is pretty tame all things considered. I'm not even pissed right now.
6303
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:22:41 PM »
And honestly, if you can't read a crowd, you probably deserve to get punched in the face until you learn. See, this is the kind of logic that really scares me. You start doing stupid shit, you rationalize it, and then you start saying stuff like, "It's not stupid--if you get hurt, you probably deserved it!"
...Uh, yeah! If you put yourself in a dangerous position, expect to get hurt. That's what I've been saying. The difference is, you're trying to say that there is a "correct" way to do stupid shit.
which is just so UGH
If you're going to swim, you should know if the current is too swift or the waves are too rough just by looking at them/testing them. Otherwise, be prepared to be a proud recipient of the Darwin Award.
6304
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:20:52 PM »
Has Charlie a thread that wasn't related to sex or degeneracy?
6305
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:19:43 PM »
And let me remind you here that I'm not arguing how stupid or not-stupid you should think it is. I know better than to do that with you of all people. I'm just pointing out, since the first reply, that your idea of how rampant death is from moshing is massively overstated.
6306
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:17:38 PM »
"I guarantee more people have died moshing than any other example you've given so far."
Unless less than 10 deaths (most recent up to 2007) is more than the number of people who have drowned, died of hypothermia, died of skin cancer, or any other thing I mentioned-- that's completely bogus.
There are myriad circumstances involved in drowning, freezing to death, and contracting skin cancer.
Mosh pit deaths have one circumstance--"I was stupid enough to thrash around in a mosh pit."
They're dangerous by their very nature.
Swimming is not dangerous by its very nature.
Going out in the sun is not dangerous by its very nature.
They're not comparable. If you found data on people who died because they felt like it would be "fun" to attempt to drown themselves, then you'd have a fair comparison.
That is a cop-out Verb, and you know it. You said that more people have died from moshing than anything else I mentioned: you were wrong. Own up to it.
6307
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:16:19 PM »
Do people get injured moshing? Yes, there are stray limb movements during it, sometimes people get bruised up a little (usually from crowdsurfers falling on them, tho) But to say that it's stupid because people die from it shows a lack of understanding on the subject.
The only thing pain I've encountered after moshing is soreness in my calves in the days following. And honestly, if you can't read a crowd, you probably deserve to get punched in the face until you learn. You don't fuck around with bad crowds, and it's easy to figured out in the first few songs whether it will be or not.
6308
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:11:44 PM »
I've never seen it before. Will have to become a real human bean one day.
6309
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:09:40 PM »
The injuries are mostly attributed to crowdsurfing, not moshing. Which is very confusing thay the article doesn't seem to make a difference in terms; they're two different things.
I feel like that's something you're projecting onto the article. I don't see any reason to believe that's the case.
Because they literally follow up "70,000" with "There is no way to crowd surf or stage dive safely consistently," which most definitely implies where the injuries are coming from. And then again, and again and again throughout the article they refer back to crowdsurfing: most specifically, the danger of falling from six or seven feet onto concrete.
6310
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:07:35 PM »
"I guarantee more people have died moshing than any other example you've given so far."
Unless less than 10 deaths (most recent up to 2007) is more than the number of people who have drowned, died of hypothermia, died of skin cancer, or any other thing I mentioned-- that's completely bogus.
6311
« on: November 08, 2015, 09:04:39 PM »
Yes, and then go back and read that literally everything they say relating to injury is a result of "falling from six or seven feet" or an actual quote directly after that statistic you just claimed: "There is no way to crowd surf or stage dive safely consistently".
The injuries are mostly attributed to crowdsurfing, not moshing. Which is very confusing thay the article doesn't seem to make a difference in terms; they're two different things.
6312
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:57:36 PM »
I'm not comparing them, I'm specifically pointing out how silly it is to say "people died doing that before". People have died going to see a movie. Point is that it doesn't happen often enough to pose a significant risk.
I guarantee more people have died moshing than any other example you've given so far. There's no such thing as an insignificant risk.
A grand total of nine deaths between 1996 and 2004. And the crowd goes mild.
- Nine deaths too much.
- Doesn't account for the years between '04 and now.
- I'd like your source.
-That's kind of backpedalling from "its more than you think". -I can't find anything more recent that relates to death. Link it if you find more recent information. - http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4804513&page=1. And every time I'm seeing them bring up injuries, they are crowd-surfing related.
6313
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:52:58 PM »
I'm not comparing them, I'm specifically pointing out how silly it is to say "people died doing that before". People have died going to see a movie. Point is that it doesn't happen often enough to pose a significant risk.
I guarantee more people have died moshing than any other example you've given so far. There's no such thing as an insignificant risk.
A grand total of nine deaths between 1996 and 2004. And the crowd goes mild. The reason that I don't provide one covering the years since? Google just gives me a lot of moshing videos.
6314
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:50:05 PM »
Yes and no. I got dropped head-first at a concert I went to Friday. Turns out there were two other people crowd surfing in my direction and we all collided into each other. Thankfully people are cognicant of their surroundings; the people around us stopped and helped us back onto our feet.
Which, of course, doesn't take away the fact that you hit your head.
Head-first, not landed on my head; the people under us tried to catch us. Ended up awkwardly being semi-lowered to the ground instead.
6315
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:48:17 PM »
refusing to live because you'll die is silly too.
Not really.
but whatever
You take the risk of getting a cold when you go out in the rain, the risk of melanoma if you go out without sunscreen, the risk of drowning if you swim. Possible danger isn't the same as significant danger; part of rationality is being able to understand that you aren't guaranteed to die just by taking a walk in the snow, or cooking overy a fire.
None of these things are tantamount to moshing, though. You're not "refusing to live" if you don't go to mosh pits--you're just intelligent. You aren't "refusing to live" if you go out in the rain--you're just intelligent.
It's easy enough for me to think that, "Hmm, maybe slamming into a bunch of people and stomping around could potentially severely injure somebody, if not kill them" than it is for me to visualize the possibility of me getting struck by lightning, and you're basically comparing those two things right now, and it's kinda silly.
I'm not comparing them, I'm specifically pointing out how silly it is to say "people died doing that before". People have died going to see a movie. Point is that it doesn't happen often enough to pose a significant risk.
6316
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:46:53 PM »
Are there moshpits at festivals, or is that a rock/Taylor Swift exclusive thing?
well at this specific festival there were three different stages, all with different styles of electric music. the stage that played most of the basshead music was where all the moshing was going on, which was actually really fucking fun to get into.
Moshing is fun. Much better than crowdsurfing, especially when the people closest to the stage are sniveling weaklings.
it was just so surreal watching almost the entire crowd mosh in-sync with the music and each other. i've never seen anybody crowdsurf but i can assume that it would be a lot more painful to be dropped while crowdsurfing than fall while you're moshing.
Yes and no. I got dropped head-first at a concert I went to Friday. Turns out there were two other people crowd surfing in my direction and we all collided into each other. Thankfully people are cognicant of their surroundings; the people around us stopped and helped us back onto our feet.
6317
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:42:43 PM »
It's also why there are more "rules" to moshing now too, by the way. You're supposed to stop if someone falls down (which can happen easily while crowdsurfing as well).
>stuffed room filled with hyped up morons
>activity based upon unruly behavior
>rules
oh, yeah, i'm sure that works out really well!
Yeah, you're kind of misattributing this behavior here. It's done because it's fun and energetic, goes well with the music. If you see someone fall, you stop and help them up. If someone drops their phone/glasses, you stop and help look. If someone wants out, you let them. It's not as instinctive and wildly unruly as you're saying it is.
6318
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:40:16 PM »
refusing to live because you'll die is silly too.
Not really.
but whatever
You take the risk of getting a cold when you go out in the rain, the risk of melanoma if you go out without sunscreen, the risk of drowning if you swim. Possible danger isn't the same as significant danger; part of rationality is being able to understand that you aren't guaranteed to die just by taking a walk in the snow, or cooking overy a fire.
6319
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:36:02 PM »
Are there moshpits at festivals, or is that a rock/Taylor Swift exclusive thing?
well at this specific festival there were three different stages, all with different styles of electric music. the stage that played most of the basshead music was where all the moshing was going on, which was actually really fucking fun to get into.
Moshing is fun. Much better than crowdsurfing, especially when the people closest to the stage are sniveling weaklings.
people die in that shit though
It's not as dangerous as it seems. I've gotten hurt more often from crowdsurfing and circlepits than moshing or walls of death.
sure, ms. anecdote
I'm saying that people don't die as often as you think they do. People die swimming as well, but I'm not going to stop doing it because of that. You can't die if you don't live first.
you won't die swimming if you're not an idiot
there's no intelligent way to mosh
there just isn't, it's a purely stupid thing to do
Moshing itself won't kill you, silly. It's things related to it that do so. Maybe I get a cramp while swimming, or an undercurrent catches me, or someone that's starting to drown carries me down as well while trying to claw up. You can't account for everything; I'm not saying that putting yourself in danger purposefully is ever good, but refusing to live because you'll die is silly too. It's also why there are more "rules" to moshing now too, by the way. You're supposed to stop if someone falls down (which can happen easily while crowdsurfing as well).
6320
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:33:27 PM »
What is a mosh pit like? I've never been to any type of concert
Lots of jumping, pushing, and bouncing.
6321
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:31:00 PM »
Are there moshpits at festivals, or is that a rock/Taylor Swift exclusive thing?
well at this specific festival there were three different stages, all with different styles of electric music. the stage that played most of the basshead music was where all the moshing was going on, which was actually really fucking fun to get into.
Moshing is fun. Much better than crowdsurfing, especially when the people closest to the stage are sniveling weaklings.
people die in that shit though
It's not as dangerous as it seems. I've gotten hurt more often from crowdsurfing and circlepits than moshing or walls of death.
sure, ms. anecdote
I'm saying that people don't die as often as you think they do. People die swimming as well, but I'm not going to stop doing it because of that. You can't die if you don't live first.
6322
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:29:41 PM »
nice shoes
woah woah woah that's just filthy
i know right
who knows where theyve been
Why are you even looking at people's shoes
Like excuse me my eyes are up here
If you don't want people looking at your shoes then cover them up, jeez
wow I thought you were better than victim blaming Christmascake
6323
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:28:49 PM »
Are there moshpits at festivals, or is that a rock/Taylor Swift exclusive thing?
well at this specific festival there were three different stages, all with different styles of electric music. the stage that played most of the basshead music was where all the moshing was going on, which was actually really fucking fun to get into.
Moshing is fun. Much better than crowdsurfing, especially when the people closest to the stage are sniveling weaklings.
people die in that shit though
It's not as dangerous as it seems. I've gotten hurt more often from crowdsurfing and circlepits than moshing or walls of death.
6324
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:25:41 PM »
nice shoes
woah woah woah that's just filthy
i know right
who knows where theyve been
Why are you even looking at people's shoes Like excuse me my eyes are up here
6325
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:24:24 PM »
Are there moshpits at festivals, or is that a rock/Taylor Swift exclusive thing?
well at this specific festival there were three different stages, all with different styles of electric music. the stage that played most of the basshead music was where all the moshing was going on, which was actually really fucking fun to get into.
Moshing is fun. Much better than crowdsurfing, especially when the people closest to the stage are sniveling weaklings.
6326
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:22:51 PM »
nice shoes
woah woah woah that's just filthy
6327
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:20:42 PM »
Can I use a tire iron or is that cheating?
USE MY DICK HO
You want me to club you to death with your own genitalia?
6328
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:20:00 PM »
Are there moshpits at festivals, or is that a rock/Taylor Swift exclusive thing?
6329
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:18:53 PM »
are you familiar with Run the Jewels, and have you heard any of their stuff
Can't say I've heard of them before now. Sounds bretty good though.
6330
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:14:25 PM »
Can I use a tire iron or is that cheating?
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