A 0/10 anime, on the other hand, is not necessarily something that I think everyone should hate—it's merely an expression of personal hatred (albeit to the maximum extent that my heart will allow).

I guess it seems more queer solely because of the expectations behind a 0/10 score, such as that for things that are unwatchable for reasons beyond the allowable/ "broken" shows. The closest tv show I can think of would probably be that one about that Fred youtuber from like a decade ago. Not just bad looking, not just boring, not just inane, but so revolting at its core that nobody should watch it. But this is your system, and specifically the system for looking at your personal enjoyment of this stuff. It's perfectly valid, but still a bit deceptive.

That said, the higher scores I've given are the ones I wish people would take seriously. It's practically an event when I actually enjoy something, and I'd rather have people feel good that I enjoyed something rather than feel bad that I didn't.

I don't it's "not enjoying" that people feel bad about, but to the degree that you dislike (or even hate) them. Someone recommending Bakemonogatari thinking/hoping you might get something out of it and you actively hating it is at least understandably disappointing to the recommender. And also the fact that things you like tend to be under the radar for most people, so while they're happy you liked something, it's something that they themselves haven't enjoyed yet (and therefore is harder to celebrate you liking).

Anyway, back to Jojo's before I start rambling. Given the parameters I've laid out, I think my rating of 0/10 is perfectly appropriate and I don't intend on changing my mind—until I see the newer show, but since it looks just as shitty, I may just end up doubling down on that.

The biggest difference going into Part 5 is that the manga moved from Shōnen Jump to Ultra Jump. This gave Araki greater freedom in developing the story, such as being able to make the protagonists more morally grey. The most obvious example is that in previous parts, outside of the parameter of enemies that are "pure evil" like vampires or those who killed another protagonist, the Jo gang never directly killed/intended to kill people. Knockouts/ironic defeats were pretty common. Starting in Part 5, protagonists fight with the intent to kill and (typically) never feel bad about it. Some of them are gang members or prisoners or assassins. The author is also able to kill off protagonists easier, and more brutally.

So outside of Araki being able to do darker things than he could in Shōnen Jump, not all that much will change. I do think that the eventual Part 6 will increase your rating of the previous parts by comparison. It's not very good (usually pretty hated even by fans of the series), and has multiple instances of things that would offend you in particular pretty greatly.

Basically, there's nothing about the show that I like, and that's that. The art style really is, without exaggeration, the most hideous thing I've ever seen in all of animation.

If we were talking about Part 3, I might sympathize a bit more; it looks like an overly detailed 80s manga page in motion, and outside of a few examples, looks ugly as sin in motion. Part 1 I can only really see with Jonathan, who jumps between looking like a bishi protagonist and an ogre depending on the scene. But looking at an aggregate of Part 1 and 2, the show looks fine. It does have an unusually high spread on the "bad to great" scale, though.

When I criticized the plot for not making sense, I was mostly referring to Part II—but admittedly, that probably wasn't the best phrasing on my part. It was one of the earlier "reviews" I wrote up for this thread, and I remember typing it up pretty hastily (as I do often). What I really meant is that the plot was just stupid and bad, and I do seem to recall it being rife with dumbass plotholes that really don't make any sense, the more I think about it. Shining example: Not destroying the red stone thing because of some hand-wavy prophecy bullshit pulled out the ass at random. I know there's more, but they're not coming to me right now.

I think the issue then was specifically with "makes no sense". The show follows a certain logic and (mostly) sticks to it; the issue is that the logic is bizarre dumb. I've never found it to be offensively bad, just a constant reminder that it's still a hammy reminder of the genre and time-frame in which it was written. But that's just me.

I realize that "bizarre" is in the title of the show. But you know what word isn't in the title? Obnoxious. I've seen and enjoyed weird shows—I encourage weirdness. What I don't encourage is characters pulling weapons and other random shit out of nowhere like some dumb kid's show.

Ehh. It's hiding things from our view to give the impression of sitting on the sideline and (sometimes) being out of the protagonist's head. Joseph's minigun was under is coat, but—just like Smokey—we didn't see it. And if people walking beside the person in universe don't see it, it's fair to not let the viewer see it either.

The voice acting is intolerable—I don't know how to describe it, but the way all the characters intone almost EVERY line of dialogue just makes my stomach churn. And it gets worse than they start speaking English. Joseph is supposed to be an English speaker, yet they can't even get someone who actually knows how to speak English to say the lines. It's pathetic.

Agree to disagree. It's hammy as hell, but I find that to be charming rather than intolerable. Joseph speaking in broken English adds to the comedy more than in hurts the underlying intent (and he never really says anything important in English anyway).

As for characters I find dull, there's Jonathan, Caesar, Lisa Lisa, Speedwagon, Kars, the pillar men, and a few others. Nothing interesting about any of them, and even though Lisa Lisa has the least offensive design I've seen so far, the fact that she's only in the show for one goddamn reason pisses me off.

As for characters I find annoying, literally everyone else. I hate them all, especially Joseph and Dio. Characters are more or less the last bastion—the very last leg your show can stand on if I hate everything else. If I don't like your characters, it's a death knell.

Yeah, I feel like we don't have the same definition of "dull". Whammu, while not likeable, was certainly not dull. Boiling blood, cry-baby hysterics, turning Joseph's tricks back on him, and his brain gambit— while not necessarily great or good—were far from dull.

But there's one thing you didn't mention among the things you disliked: the music. Surely that is the one and only quality that you didn't find horrific?

Where's Trigun?

Quote from: Lady on July 01, 2018, 11:53:15 AM

You did watch Yu Yu Hakusho dubbed though, right?

i don't think so, should i?

the only dubs i've been told to watch were the ones for baccano and golden boy, plus anything i wasn't able to find subs for online

not trying to ignore your other post btw, there's just quite a few things to unpack

Maybe it's the nostalgia, but the YYH dub was really good.

And fair enough. I don't expect you to suddenly LIKE JoJo, but I just think 0/10 is a bit much.

The question is, did Verb watch the dub or sub

sub iirc, but I don't really think it matters in this instance. He doesn't like Japanese and the dub isn't good.

Quote from: Jester on June 30, 2018, 03:13:19 PM

You gave My Hero Academia a higher rating than Jojo, and because of that, you need to be fucking purged from this fucking realm, you brainlet. Hurry up and rewatch the first two parts, then the next two, and sit your ass down until October and watch part 5.

jojo's literally makes me want to kill myself

i recently changed it from a 1 to a 0, actually

it depresses the fuck out of me that people actually enjoy it

I honestly don't know why you feel as strongly as you do about it, and going over your review of it, don't feel like we watched the same thing at all. The only thing that I can really acknowledge among your complaints was the artstyle (even if I 90% disagree with it).

What made no sense about the plot? Part I is very straightforward and simple (negatively so) and Part II is strange and admittedly has so weird retcons and workarounds, but in a template makes perfect sense.

Voice acting is a bit subjective; I enjoyed it most of the time.

What characters did you find so dull and annoying? Outside of Jonathan being a Kenshiro clone and Speedwagon's power of narration, I can't think of anybody particularly dull.

Is this canon to Sep7abowl.

it's a reboot, a la Bionic Commando

rip in Pesche

Quote from: Lady on June 21, 2018, 08:03:19 PM

Sprinted through DMC2 in about 4 hours. DMC3 feels extra good now.

I've never even finished 2. I got to the level with tanks and choppers and just stopped playing.

Yeah, the Infested tanks and chopper were pretty awful. Thankfully the game is only 18 missions long.

Sprinted through DMC2 in about 4 hours. DMC3 feels extra good now.

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I know id like them except maybe 2? Whatever the deal with that is.

DMC was so successful that Capcom turned an unrelated game into DMC2. Itsuno (mastermind behind DMC3) was brought in 6 months before release to salvage it, but most of the damage had already been done. Dante's emotionless, the levels are too big, melee attacks have too much knockback (making it hard to combo), guns are OP (turning boss fights into 20 minute long "hold square" challenges), and the story is pointless. The game sucked enough that Capcom put it at the very end of the DMC continuity so that they wouldn't have to reference it ever again.

There's a bit of speculation that DMC5 might take place after it, though. Mostly based on Dante getting out of Hell and how rough and dirty he looked in the trailer.

Can safely avoid it then. How rough is the first one? Ive heard its quite difficult.

If you're playing the HD Collection, then it isn't. Just keep in mind that its life started as Resident Evil 4 (3.5 beta style), so it has fixed camera angles and a sp00py mansion. As long as you don't play it like a musou game and learn the movesets then you should be fine.

How do you feel about the music direction?

Devil Trigger is hype af. And if there's anything to go on, the rock music that plays during Dante's bike scene at the end of the trailer is probably a snippet of his theme. It's all good.

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I recently snagged the DMC HD Collection + 4SE on PS4. I forgot how much I hated Nightmare.

Tbh the only DMC1 boss I really like is Nero Angelo.

Nelo Angelo 3 is the peak of the game tbh. Every other boss/miniboss is just annoying and spammy/protected from melee attacks.

Yup. Griffin has that annoying electric bird thing and a cluttered arena, Phantom is alright, Mundus had some interested mechanics and Nightmare was just... ugh

I actually didn't mind Griffin 1 or 3 (despite it being annoyingly spammy). Hated the pirate ship fight because, despite being in DT, Dante wanted to throw Magma Drives instead of Meteors. Also that one move that attaches the shadow bird to you and changes the lock on away from Griffin. Made the fight really frustrating.

I recently snagged the DMC HD Collection + 4SE on PS4. I forgot how much I hated Nightmare.

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if people are calling you racist / sexist, chances are you're a piece of crap

Overly sensitive white people that get overly offended for everybody don't do anybody any favors and just make race relations worse.

ok

what she said is still true

i will give this meme two more weeks

thank you for the extention

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