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4561
« on: June 06, 2017, 11:59:07 AM »
You state your opinion as if it's fact - it's not.
You THINK good and evil are subjective, and they aren't. They're objective. As long as a universe exists that can create suffering-capable life, morality is fixed.
4562
« on: June 06, 2017, 07:55:34 AM »
Yes but morality is not suffering, it's based on the meaning we derive from suffering.
Wrong. Morality is suffering. It doesn't matter if something is around to know that, it still is.
Look at my lion example above. Or if you'd prefer an analogy, think of a tree falling in a forest with no one around to hear it - it still makes a sound.
You have a very strange definition of morality. It doesn't make any logical sense to me, and it certainly doesn't align with what society axiomatically understands morality to be. How can morality just be suffering? Do you suffer by living a moral life? If morality is composed of good and evil, then would you say that good is suffering?
How is morality simply the pain we experience and not the meaning derived from that pain?
We already have a concept to define the pain we experience, which is suffering. Whether or not something is good or evil is an entirely different concept that is interdependent with suffering.
Any actual definition you can find of morality essentially states that it is the principles we use to define and distinguish good and evil. Nothing about the concept, as it is self-evidently defined by society, can be reduced to just the phenomenon of suffering.
And your definition is just as baffling. Suffering is a net bad, whether that be physical suffering or emotional. Any person with a modicum of logic could tell you that. Why on earth would suffering stop being bad just because that person isn't around to say so anymore? It's still bad, a gazelle being eaten alive is still in constant pain. If a schitzophrenic who has no external awareness shoots up a mall because he thinks everyone in the mall are Russian soldiers who are trying to kill him, did he shoot up the mall in self-defense? No, he mass murdered the people there - what he did was still evil, even if he couldn't come close to comprehening that.
4563
« on: June 06, 2017, 07:12:52 AM »
Yes but morality is not suffering, it's based on the meaning we derive from suffering.
Wrong. Morality is suffering. It doesn't matter if something is around to know that, it still is. Look at my lion example above. Or if you'd prefer an analogy, think of a tree falling in a forest with no one around to hear it - it still makes a sound.
4564
« on: June 06, 2017, 01:41:48 AM »
The real reason the is no sych thing as an objectively bad person is because good/bad is non-imperical and therefore unguagable.
Morality is objective as long as suffering exists.
To me this implies that morality is not objective but merely axiomatic. For me to understand it as objective, it would have to be more than just a concept conditioned by the subjective experience of sentient beings.
Ultimately nature does not define morality in any way, and without sentience to conceptualize morality, it doesn't exist.
Concepitalizing something =/= making it exist
Sentient beings can interpret something, sure. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist if it can't be interpreted.
If nothing but a predator and its prey existed, say a lion and a gazelle, it would still be highly immoral for the lion to eat the gazelle. Neither the lion nor gazelle would know it was an immoral act, but it still is.
When something is entirely a concept then yes, conceptualizing it is what brings it into existence.
It would seem that you define morality as the absence of harming or perhaps the absence of the conditioning of suffering. However that is not how I define it at all. Morality is not defined within nature. Reality does not present us with meaning to any phenomena that we encounter and experience, meaning arises as the result of our interpretation of these phenomena.
Morality for me is the path that leads to the minimization of suffering, not necessarily the actual absence of suffering or its roots. This definition is the result of my interpretation of suffering and what conditions it, and it would not exist without my conceptualizing it.
I simply disagree. Suffering is an INHERENT evil, and from that basic maxim we derive an objective morality.
I get that you disagree, it's just perplexing that you see morality as inherent and more than just a concept when no meaning could ever be derived from suffering without the subjective interpretation of sentient beings.
Because who cares whether meaning is derived or not? Suffering is still there. Whether or not we know its bad is irrelevant.
4565
« on: June 05, 2017, 10:25:13 PM »
The real reason the is no sych thing as an objectively bad person is because good/bad is non-imperical and therefore unguagable.
Wrong. Morality is objective as long as suffering exists. We draw all morality from the simple maxim that suffering is bad.
We know pain that we may recognize happiness.
And that's fucked up. Humans need suffering to be able to recognize happiness, sure - and that's the fucking problem. It shouldn't be that way, humans should be able to live in a state of constant bliss, without any pain or war or strife, and we should be able to live that way without needing suffering to recognize it. Anything short of that, and nonexistence is the preferable alternative.
4566
« on: June 05, 2017, 10:21:43 PM »
The real reason the is no sych thing as an objectively bad person is because good/bad is non-imperical and therefore unguagable.
Morality is objective as long as suffering exists.
To me this implies that morality is not objective but merely axiomatic. For me to understand it as objective, it would have to be more than just a concept conditioned by the subjective experience of sentient beings.
Ultimately nature does not define morality in any way, and without sentience to conceptualize morality, it doesn't exist.
Concepitalizing something =/= making it exist
Sentient beings can interpret something, sure. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist if it can't be interpreted.
If nothing but a predator and its prey existed, say a lion and a gazelle, it would still be highly immoral for the lion to eat the gazelle. Neither the lion nor gazelle would know it was an immoral act, but it still is.
When something is entirely a concept then yes, conceptualizing it is what brings it into existence.
It would seem that you define morality as the absence of harming or perhaps the absence of the conditioning of suffering. However that is not how I define it at all. Morality is not defined within nature. Reality does not present us with meaning to any phenomena that we encounter and experience, meaning arises as the result of our interpretation of these phenomena.
Morality for me is the path that leads to the minimization of suffering, not necessarily the actual absence of suffering or its roots. This definition is the result of my interpretation of suffering and what conditions it, and it would not exist without my conceptualizing it.
I simply disagree. Suffering is an INHERENT evil, and from that basic maxim we derive an objective morality.
4567
« on: June 05, 2017, 09:24:06 PM »
The real reason the is no sych thing as an objectively bad person is because good/bad is non-imperical and therefore unguagable.
Morality is objective as long as suffering exists.
To me this implies that morality is not objective but merely axiomatic. For me to understand it as objective, it would have to be more than just a concept conditioned by the subjective experience of sentient beings.
Ultimately nature does not define morality in any way, and without sentience to conceptualize morality, it doesn't exist.
Concepitalizing something =/= making it exist Sentient beings can interpret something, sure. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist if it can't be interpreted. If nothing but a predator and its prey existed, say a lion and a gazelle, it would still be highly immoral for the lion to eat the gazelle. Neither the lion nor gazelle would know it was an immoral act, but it still is.
4568
« on: June 05, 2017, 09:10:22 PM »
The real reason the is no sych thing as an objectively bad person is because good/bad is non-imperical and therefore unguagable.
Wrong. Morality is objective as long as suffering exists. We draw all morality from the simple maxim that suffering is bad.
4569
« on: June 05, 2017, 09:08:39 PM »
Nine times out of ten it is
What's the one out of ten
Nature gives us receptors in our mouth that allow us to get pleasure (tasting), and plants that taste good when put in those receptors. Another example, nature gives us receptors in our brain tbat allow us to get pleasure (feeling) and plants that feel good when put in those receptors.
4570
« on: June 05, 2017, 09:00:07 PM »
You would be right if "natural" had any value whatsoever. What's natural or unnatural doesn't fucking matter - what causes suffering or doesn't does.
"If nature had any value whatsoever." That just sounds so fucked up lol.
Nature has no value, at all. Explain to me how it does. Nature, and existence itself, is usually immoral. Nine times out of ten it is, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.
4571
« on: June 05, 2017, 07:39:36 PM »
You would be right if "natural" had any value whatsoever. What's natural or unnatural doesn't fucking matter - what causes suffering or doesn't does.
4572
« on: June 05, 2017, 01:25:42 PM »
date me pls dietrich
4573
« on: June 05, 2017, 12:15:20 PM »
way more honey than mustard
to give you an idea, I fucking hate mustard while loving honey mustard so much
4574
« on: June 05, 2017, 11:19:54 AM »
4575
« on: May 30, 2017, 04:18:57 AM »
I run me restaurant. I can't be here all day, I've got a life.
this is the best one too zero likes smh
4576
« on: May 29, 2017, 01:57:56 PM »
One of my close friends who has never seen the show as a kid just finished his marathon the original series, and is now beginning season 5. Given that it's now one of his new favorite shows, I can't wait to see how disappointed he'll be.
he'll probably like it because he isnt blinded by nostalgia
he also didn't skip the episodes that didn't have aku in it because he's not a dumbass
neither did I, that was hyperbole but aku made the show, a shitty episode was made amazing if he showed up
4577
« on: May 29, 2017, 01:53:42 PM »
4578
« on: May 29, 2017, 01:53:11 PM »
One of my close friends who has never seen the show as a kid just finished his marathon the original series, and is now beginning season 5. Given that it's now one of his new favorite shows, I can't wait to see how disappointed he'll be.
he'll probably like it because he isnt blinded by nostalgia
4579
« on: May 28, 2017, 07:21:24 AM »
same but with dxm haha
alcohol sucks join the dex train charlie
4580
« on: May 27, 2017, 12:02:50 PM »
Lol this is gold.
Why do you have such a hardon for jive
He doesnt?
Blazed Iron is like the one actual normal human being on here, he responds to jive like any other person should
The majority of his recent posts have been him telling jive to kill himself so he kind of does
Just like you do
Any rational, normal person who saw a monster like Jive would want it to kill itself.
Not a hard on, an normal reaction.
how exactly is jive a monster
if you dont immediately see why (like a normal person does) then youre a monster too kill yourself, honestly
4581
« on: May 27, 2017, 11:51:55 AM »
well he's not going for insecure obese girls
yeah thats his problem for girls attractiveness literally doesnt matter at all, personality/interests are whats important okay so i got a match whats the protocol now
you message her something to do with her bio/profile pics
4582
« on: May 27, 2017, 06:24:45 AM »
Lol this is gold.
Why do you have such a hardon for jive
He doesnt?
Blazed Iron is like the one actual normal human being on here, he responds to jive like any other person should
The majority of his recent posts have been him telling jive to kill himself so he kind of does
Just like you do
Any rational, normal person who saw a monster like Jive would want it to kill itself. Not a hard on, an normal reaction.
4583
« on: May 27, 2017, 05:46:29 AM »
Lol this is gold.
Why do you have such a hardon for jive
Just for a second, forget about all the shit I give this kid. You don't find it ironic or funny that he was just talking about getting back on tinder, even if it was just to troll, and now this?
I don't really have that malice in me to find joy in something like that.
Yeah Jive is an immature dude but he's generally not an asshole and he tries. You're just constantly trying to bring him down and wishing death upon him over what exactly? That he sleeps around and can be an airhead sometimes? Calm down dude.
LOL you have so much fucking malice The world's smallest violin is playing for poor old Jive  How will he ever recover? The emotions of a 18 year old future rapist are so important 
4584
« on: May 27, 2017, 05:43:37 AM »
Lol this is gold.
Why do you have such a hardon for jive
He doesnt? Blazed Iron is like the one actual normal human being on here, he responds to jive like any other person should
4585
« on: May 27, 2017, 05:33:10 AM »
way overthinking lmao
4586
« on: May 27, 2017, 02:58:34 AM »
4587
« on: May 26, 2017, 11:15:10 PM »
ok second "started dating a dude online and a week later said dude tried to kill himself" class
those two things arent connected
4588
« on: May 26, 2017, 10:39:17 PM »
lmao as if colon "the vein" ruler is the authority on dating
4589
« on: May 26, 2017, 10:37:37 PM »
i hate sleeping
so much to do during the day
ot, just lower your standards and hook up with someone you dont like - time and familarization will make you love them
4590
« on: May 26, 2017, 10:25:35 PM »
no just screenshot your profile so i can see all your pics
1 selfie max
mine is better
you dont have any pics of you with an animal or with family or friends? Just something that isnt a selfie?
get rid of the fucking coffee meme or whatever that is
I dont let people take pictures of me and no that image is my life in one pic it encapsulates me
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