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« on: January 19, 2015, 10:37:00 PM »
Your point? You can say things you don't like about blacks without being a racist. I'm just saying. That IS how a lot of racists talk. You've made yourself look very transphobic in this thread.
I probably am transphobic by this forum's standards, but I honestly couldn't care less.
24422
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:34:59 PM »
OAK IS A TYPE OF TREE
24423
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:33:35 PM »
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though. It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".
Ad hominem.
No, he's pointing that there's a fundamental impasse in arguing with someone who feels like that of a subject. It's not an attack, it's saying that there is "no point in arguing with a racist" because a racist and a non-racist will never agree, so there's no point in having the discussion.
If all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them, could you honestly not argue with a racist about it? Like, I don't even have anything against TGs personally. Say one bad thing against them and this forum has a heart attack.
If the discussion was about if blacks were equal to whites, you could not have a good discussion of it. There's a prejudice in play, it doesn't matter what form it takes. Discussion is about learning, and if one side cannot teach the other something, then there's no point in doing it! If you are staunchly opposed, to the point of transphobia, then there's not a point in talking about it with you. That's not to call you a bad person or something, just that there is an impasse in discussing transgenderism.
I despise sweet tea. It's disgusting and I don't see how people drink it. I am not someone in which you'd want to talk about sweet tea/the south rising again with unless you wanted to argue in an endless stalemate until you gave up.
You and I obviously have different views on the point of conversation. It's not about learning, it's about sharing your views. I've never had my beliefs swayed by an online argument, lol. If that's the whole reason you get involved in these, then you should just not respond to me in general.
24424
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:30:46 PM »
If all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them, Also, I'd just like to point out that a lot of racists will say shit like "I don't hate blacks, BUT..."
Your point? You can say things you don't like about blacks without being a racist.
24425
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:28:35 PM »
could you honestly not argue with a racist about it? No... I couldn't. Not if changing your mind was the goal, anyway.
The goal of discussions isn't to change minds, it's to share your opinions.
24426
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:21:28 PM »
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though. It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".
Ad hominem.
No, he's pointing that there's a fundamental impasse in arguing with someone who feels like that of a subject. It's not an attack, it's saying that there is "no point in arguing with a racist" because a racist and a non-racist will never agree, so there's no point in having the discussion.
If all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them, could you honestly not argue with a racist about it? Like, I don't even have anything against TGs personally. Say one bad thing against them and this forum has a heart attack.
24427
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:17:55 PM »
I'm not outright calling you transphobic, by the way-- just pointing out that, unless you genuinely are, you are unintentionally painting yourself in that light.
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.
It does have bearing, because it shows how valid anything anything you say in this thread is. That's like asking a Nazi his opinion of Israel or the KKK their opinion of black people and using that as a serious argument.
I don't hate TGs like the KKK hates blacks or Nazis hate Israel, I just find what they do nasty. Sue me.
24428
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:16:34 PM »
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though. It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".
Ad hominem.
24429
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:15:09 PM »
Then get some fucking water.
24430
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:13:50 PM »
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?
Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.
If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?
And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.
Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.
The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.
Letting a sick person believe he's not sick, and refusing to help him, is unethical.
24431
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:13:00 PM »
Your argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.
It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.
As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?
Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.
Do you know what's far more creepy? Being infatuated with a fictional cartoon character.
Liking and identifying with a character and changing your sex aren't comparable whatsoever.
Being trans isn't something that's detestable or concerning. Being in love with a fictional cartoon character is pathetic and laughable.
24432
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PM »
I'm not outright calling you transphobic, by the way-- just pointing out that, unless you genuinely are, you are unintentionally painting yourself in that light.
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.
24433
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:09:13 PM »
Your argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.
It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.
As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?
Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.
To you, that's the point being made. There is nothing wrong with two people of the same sex kissing, but there are people who find it to be creepy and disgusting. It's homophobia, just as you claiming to vomit in disgust at the sight of a transperson would be transphobic. Know what I'm saying?
I know what you're saying, but it's illogical. Post op transgenders objectively look more disgusting than a simple kiss. That's not a phobia, that's an observation.
24434
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:07:37 PM »
Your argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.
It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.
As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?
Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.
Do you know what's far more creepy? Being infatuated with a fictional cartoon character.
Liking and identifying with a character and changing your sex aren't comparable whatsoever.
24435
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:06:08 PM »
Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. To you.
To any rational person. Putting homosexuality and transgenderism on the same level is comparing apples to oranges.
24436
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:03:56 PM »
Your argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.
It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.
As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?
Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.
24437
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:01:00 PM »
24438
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PM »
Your argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.
It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.
24439
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:56:10 PM »
I don't want diseased people to be able to walk around, untreated, living their life as a delusion. The second, more vain reason, is that TGs are just repulsive. I should be able to walk up to the store without feeling the need to lose my lunch every time I see a tranny.
Ladies and gentlemen, the definition of transphobia.
I love how you ignore my main reason and immediately jump to the admittedly more trivial one.
24440
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:52:07 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
Actually, it isn't, but you wouldn't know that.
Many trans people opt to not have the surgery.
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly.
Don't lie. You literally have no respect for any trans people considering how you've been posting about them.
I'm not lying. You're born the way you're born. Whether you're black, gay, autistic, or transgender, you can't help what cards you're dealt. What you can do is work to better yourself. And submitting to your mental disorder isn't bettering yourself, it's making the situation worse. If you're unlucky enough to be born as a TG, I have nothing but sympathy for you until you decide to be an idiot and worsen your condition.
Nobody wants your sympathy trust me.
Why are you in Serious? Are you here to have a discussion or make fun of me?
24441
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:50:39 PM »
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly. What if they ignore it entirely? They're not getting surgery or trying to "heal" it.
As long as you're not embracing the disease (cross-dressing, gender reassignment, referring to yourself as "her"), then you're not being an idiot about it.
24442
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:48:42 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
Actually, it isn't, but you wouldn't know that.
Many trans people opt to not have the surgery.
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly.
Don't lie. You literally have no respect for any trans people considering how you've been posting about them.
I'm not lying. You're born the way you're born. Whether you're black, gay, autistic, or transgender, you can't help what cards you're dealt. What you can do is work to better yourself. And submitting to your mental disorder isn't bettering yourself, it's making the situation worse. If you're unlucky enough to be born as a TG, I have nothing but sympathy for you until you decide to be an idiot and worsen your condition.
24443
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:46:21 PM »
irony.
I love how half this site doesn't know how to use that word correctly.
24444
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:44:51 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
Actually, it isn't, but you wouldn't know that.
Many trans people opt to not have the surgery.
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly.
24445
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PM »
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?
Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.
If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?
You can keep posting childish pictures all you want, but it doesn't help your argument. And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person. I don't want diseased people to be able to walk around, untreated, living their life as a delusion. The second, more vain reason, is that TGs are just repulsive. I should be able to walk up to the store without feeling the need to lose my lunch every time I see a tranny.
24446
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:41:14 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
The more it affects you, the worse it is. Transgenderism's eventual result (if followed through completely) is the surgical changing of your sex. That's pretty affecting.
24447
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PM »
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?
Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.
24448
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:37:34 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible?
What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
24449
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:36:14 PM »
I guess it would be redundant to remind you that God doesn't exist.
24450
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PM »
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
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